European Youth Championship 2010, Romania, 05.03-07.03

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Партии European Youth Championship 2010 in Sibiu, Romania

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(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[NZ]SZ[19]KM[8.00]TM[3600]OT[1x30 byo-yomi]
GN[European Youth Championship 2010 under 12 board 1 round 4]PW[ng king yau anson(keyboy)]PB[Mikhail Sidorenko]WR[1k]BR[3d]DT[2010-03-06]EV[European Youth Championship 2010 under 12 board 1 round 4]RO[4]PC[Sibiu, Romania]
;B[dc]
;W[qp]
;B[cp]
;W[qc]C[dima777 [2d\]: привет
masek [?\]: Привет Димка
masek [?\]: а ты чего не поехал?
dima777 [2d\]: ты незнаешь как сыграли 3 раунд
dima777 [2d\]: несмог
masek [?\]: к сожалению не знаю
KGSPlus [-\]: Карнесан был в онлайне
dima777 [2d\]: там одну партию недоиграли
masek [?\]: Димка ты в след раз попади на это событие=) интересно же
]
;B[oq]C[dima777 [2d\]: я поеду в питер там буду транслировать все партии
dima777 [2d\]: в каникулы
masek [?\]: хорошо будем следить =)
]
;W[mq]
;B[fq]C[masek [?\]: у них тут ,война будет скоро
]
;W[ce]C[masek [?\]: c11 подобное что то хочется
pomidoroff [6k\]: пока по хрестоматии чешут
masek [?\]: не совсем
masek [?\]: p3 это тактика
masek [?\]: черный может кинут его ,белым чтобы доесть надо пару ходов
KGSPlus [-\]: c14 видимо получше будет
pomidoroff [6k\]: не фига
]
;B[dg]
;W[ee]
;B[fd]
;W[di]C[pomidoroff [6k\]: влияние на всю доску через три угла
pomidoroff [6k\]: а тот препятствует
pomidoroff [6k\]: миха хочет мощно начать а затем и в драку ввязаться, потому что позиция в целом дырявоватая
]
;B[cd]C[OTBEPTKA [3k\]: помню на прощлом чемпионате сидоренко выиграл у француза проигранную партию - тот атари пропустил - плакал потом
]
;W[be]C[pomidoroff [6k\]: как тут не заплакать
]
;B[ck]C[pomidoroff [6k\]: видал? стратег, однако
]
;W[ch]C[pomidoroff [6k\]: теперь чья техника выше
KGSPlus [-\]: техника - это тактика
OTBEPTKA [3k\]: фусека еще
pomidoroff [6k\]: ну и какой прогноз? выедет белый на тактике?
OTBEPTKA [3k\]: то есь штратегия
KGSPlus [-\]: f15
KGSPlus [-\]: за Ч
KGSPlus [-\]: потом o16
]
(;B[mc]C[KGSPlus [-\]: нда
pomidoroff [6k\]: ф15 надавит на свой камень
KGSPlus [-\]: чему его Света учит:
KGSPlus [-\]: ?*
OTBEPTKA [3k\]: его разве света учит?
KGSPlus [-\]: учила
SanekFree [10k\]: какая Света?
OTBEPTKA [3k\]: он же москвичч
SanekFree [10k\]: Шикшина?
KGSPlus [-\]: у нас - одна Света
pomidoroff [6k\]: так я думал, когда смотрел партию с 5п
pomidoroff [6k\]: а потом 5п сдался
KGSPlus [-\]: n17 - не пойми что
Gleb81 [-\]: Кто выиграл в прошлом туре Сидоренко или Попов?
KGSPlus [-\]: Гена - как объяснить n17 ?
pomidoroff [6k\]: ну интересно, кто может тогда тактике научить, если Света не научит?
KGSPlus [-\]: это - никакой ход
ooze: никак
KGSPlus [-\]: да я не драматизирую
]
(;W[op]
;B[qf]C[pomidoroff [6k\]: а так?
KGSPlus [-\]: r14 ?
SamArKin [1d\]: никакой - я бы так не драматизировал
KGSPlus [-\]: угол по прежнему живет
]
;W[qj]C[KGSPlus [-\]: n17 - ни хираки, ни какари
KGSPlus [-\]: если какри то p17 p16 o16
KGSPlus [-\]: если хираки k17 l17
pomidoroff [6k\]: это ход одновременно на развитие левого верха
pomidoroff [6k\]: а только какари попадает в хасами
SamArKin [1d\]: во камни нараскидывали, аж мысли в голове путаются )))
KGSPlus [-\]: дети ...где смысл? где логика?
SamArKin [1d\]: да Миша тут уже кучу партий у серьёзных людей навыигрывал
KGSPlus [-\]: тактик
pomidoroff [6k\]: может, логика в отходе от стандартов?
pomidoroff [6k\]: широко известных
SamArKin [1d\]: думаю, как правильнее на этоответить ))
SamArKin [1d\]: в смысле на тактик
KGSPlus [-\]: не думаю ..дети - не стратеги
masek [?\]: Гарри у тебя руль
masek [?\]: =)
pomidoroff [6k\]: придумал?
]
;B[rd]
;W[rc]
;B[qd]
;W[ob])
(;W[kc]
;B[oc]
;W[hc]C[KGSPlus [-\]: непонятно в чем идея n17 ?ъ
SamArKin [1d\]: тактике научить сложно, а Света в смысле стратегий Мишу подковала неплохо
]))
(;B[nc]
;W[op]
;B[qf]
;W[qj]C[ooze: надо тянуть p3
]
;B[rd]
;W[rc]C[SamArKin [1d\]: у белых тоже в верхнем углу после таких вроде мягких ходов непонятно, как интереснее продолжить
]
;B[qd]
;W[ob]C[ooze: вместоo17
SamArKin [1d\]: так белым явно будет неважно
SamArKin [1d\]: потому что угол сильно зажат
]
;B[nb]C[ooze: щас камень r14 непонятно зачем
]
;W[pd]C[KGSPlus [-\]: ну так пропущено несколько ходов
KGSPlus [-\]: r10 p4
ooze: p17 q17 p15
SamArKin [1d\]: r14 тут в хорошем месте
KGSPlus [-\]: цена этого - блокировка угла
SamArKin [1d\]: запечатывания угла дорогого стоит
ooze: закрывать белых надо в углу
KGSPlus [-\]: Б сделали ДВА ход в дургном месте
KGSPlus [-\]: хода*
]
;B[oc]
;W[pc]C[ooze: p17 q17 p15 q19 t17 t18 r18 - это труп
SamArKin [1d\]: я не понял, это партия реальная?
KGSPlus [-\]: локльно не живет
KGSPlus [-\]: да
SamArKin [1d\]: а то вроде по ветке пошла
pomidoroff [6k\]: q18 r18 l16 ?
KGSPlus [-\]: ошибсе транслятор ..видимо
ooze: q18 не надо
ooze: б дохнут
OTBEPTKA [3k\]: локально вроде ко
KGSPlus [-\]: 5 в углу - ко
ooze: проблема в сенте ходе за б t16
]
;B[oe]
;W[pe]
;B[pf]C[SamArKin [1d\]: локально чёрным тут отлично
ooze: пардон не r18 в конце а s19
]
;W[sd]C[ooze: ага
pomidoroff [6k\]: мих набросился, как и всегда
]
;B[of]C[ooze: ё-моё
KGSPlus [-\]: после q19 Б буджут жить
SamArKin [1d\]: да я не думаю, что Миша собрался угол есть
SamArKin [1d\]: тут хитро сыграл
pomidoroff [6k\]: он наверное плотность считал на центр
SamArKin [1d\]: я бы тут на пункт левее сыграл
KGSPlus [-\]: f15 станет большим
pomidoroff [6k\]: r10 отделить
ooze: o14 лучше
]
;W[ic]
;B[re]C[KGSPlus [-\]: p13 нодзоки будет неприятное
]
;W[pa]C[KGSPlus [-\]: если Ч вместо p14 сыгшрают o14
ooze: живет вроде
KGSPlus [-\]: жив
SamArKin [1d\]: но именно в этой позиции адзи на разрезание чёрных через p16 o15
KGSPlus [-\]: ну да ..резыны есть
KGSPlus [-\]: резоны*
pomidoroff [6k\]: там пока сичо не в пользу
SamArKin [1d\]: а камни чёрных после удачного разрезания совсем не стабилизированы
KGSPlus [-\]: l17 будет сенте
pomidoroff [6k\]: l17
SamArKin [1d\]: но l17 как-то не очень, потому что сильно переконцентрирует свою стену
ooze: надо было есть белых
SamArKin [1d\]: он напрашивается, но какой-то он корявый
KGSPlus [-\]: а непонятнь как давить на j17
KGSPlus [-\]: k16 ?
KGSPlus [-\]: предварительно сыграв f15 ?
SamArKin [1d\]: распространяться через два от практически стены из 4-ёх?
KGSPlus [-\]: там дыра
]
;B[fe]C[KGSPlus [-\]: сам сказал
SamArKin [1d\]: вот не надо трогать
SamArKin [1d\]: ))))
pomidoroff [6k\]: накрыть хочет радикально
KGSPlus [-\]: тупо выживет
KGSPlus [-\]: на месте
pomidoroff [6k\]: да
SamArKin [1d\]: Миша-стратег себя проявляет явно
Gleb81 [-\]: e14
]
;W[ef]
;B[pp]
;W[pq]
;B[po]
;W[qq]C[SamArKin [1d\]: не знаешь, что делать с камнем, брось его ))
ooze: не подготовил шичо
pomidoroff [6k\]: g13 ?
SamArKin [1d\]: да, Влад, сложно сказать
SamArKin [1d\]: тут и интересно посмотреть, как сильный игрок всё осуществляет
pomidoroff [6k\]: так все разбросаешь
SamArKin [1d\]: j17 r10 камни подвешенные
SamArKin [1d\]: вот тут и искусство суметь эту подвешенность проявить
]
;B[kc]TR[fg][gh][hi][ij][jk][kl][lm][mn][no][op]C[pomidoroff [6k\]: блин, скачет мысля
masek [?\]: не работает шичо
SamArKin [1d\]: белый сверху ломанётся и подведет на сичё-атари
masek [?\]: ммм
masek [?\]: сичо атари надо где то по этой линии воткнуть
SamArKin [1d\]: в реальной партии такие сичё так лениво считать
]
;W[fb]C[pomidoroff [6k\]: решил жить на месте
]
;B[fc]C[SamArKin [1d\]: а противник-тоещё и 1 кю
]
;W[kb]C[masek [?\]: это ничего незначит
masek [?\]: он может быть другого уровня
masek [?\]: просто аномально растет
SamArKin [1d\]: да, Вась, значит
SamArKin [1d\]: подход к игроку ниже себя значит
masek [?\]: keyboy - 3д на кгс
masek [?\]: ниже себя
SamArKin [1d\]: всегда как-то хочется быстрее поймать его на ошибке
ooze: k18 k17 j18 h18 m18 l16 m17
masek [?\]: привыкайте что рейтинг от фонаря в турнирах
pomidoroff [6k\]: я тоже к18 считал
]
;B[gb]
;W[hb]C[ooze: так белые выживут еще
]
;B[hc]
;W[hd]
;B[gc]C[masek [?\]: по крайней мере если игрок играет хотя бы 3 раза в турнирах в году ,это не отражает реального роста
]
;W[jc]C[SamArKin [1d\]: да плохо такие жизни себе строить, смысла нет
masek [?\]: с интернетом за 2 месяца меняется сила
]
;B[kd]C[SamArKin [1d\]: там 2 очка, там, а что делать после всей такой жизни с влиянием противника?
masek [?\]: белый не 1кю
]
;W[je]C[SamArKin [1d\]: да слабые ходы у белых
ooze: j15 надо
SamArKin [1d\]: много суетни в игре белых
SamArKin [1d\]: и мало толку
ooze: у б кстати неплохо
]
;B[na]
;W[ra]C[ooze: аджи кеши потерял в есэ очков 5
pomidoroff [6k\]: да драная какая-то позиция у белых
]
;B[gg]C[SamArKin [1d\]: но не так, чтобы уж совсем плохо
ooze: j13
SamArKin [1d\]: вот и сичё-атари
SamArKin [1d\]: )))))
masek [?\]: g13 ага оно
]
;W[ig]C[pomidoroff [6k\]: будет сичо?
ooze: неа
pomidoroff [6k\]: нету сича
]
;B[ih]C[masek [?\]: сейчас не будет
masek [?\]: еще одно сичё атари=)
ooze: б отдадут шичо, и стабилизируют группу вверху
SamArKin [1d\]: но такое сичё отдать -ь это сильно круто
pomidoroff [6k\]: o4 , тенуки?
SamArKin [1d\]: это у белых сразу проблемы внизу
ooze: все взять невозможно
ooze: у б нет проблем внизу
]
;W[jh]C[SamArKin [1d\]: и партия идёт по руслу, что чёрные просто диктуют на доске свою волю
ooze: o4 p5 p6 p2 o5 даже соединяться не надо
SamArKin [1d\]: тут над белыми туча нависла и над камнями на левой стороне ))
]
;B[ii]C[pomidoroff [6k\]: че он ее не отстроил сразу?
SamArKin [1d\]: тут белым вообще непонятно, на что, на какую свою слабую группу взор бросить
pomidoroff [6k\]: пустились в какие-то мутные варианты
]
;W[ji]
;B[jj]
;W[kj]C[masek [?\]: l11
masek [?\]: резать можно
ooze: б группа вверху почти жива
ooze: k19 глаз в сенте
ooze: если тенуки, то б m17
SamArKin [1d\]: p16 o15 это разрезание чёрным тоже надо учитывать
pomidoroff [6k\]: да
ooze: б пока достойно играют
pomidoroff [6k\]: он еще не жив
SamArKin [1d\]: за позицией глаз да глаз нужен
SamArKin [1d\]: а хотя нет там разрезания на o15 , в гэту ловится камень
]
;B[jg]C[ooze: чревато
pomidoroff [6k\]: радикалист
pomidoroff [6k\]: два камня придется отдавать за сенте
ooze: б укрепят форму
SamArKin [1d\]: сложно в таких партиях в реальном турнире
SamArKin [1d\]: куча вариантов и есть лишь один выбор ))
]
;W[kg]
;B[jf]
;W[kf]
;B[if]C[ooze: j15 h14 l15
ooze: другого нет
]
;W[ie]
;B[hg]
;W[hf]
;B[ig]
;W[ke]
;B[kh]C[ooze: ой
pomidoroff [6k\]: щас подвиснет Генин башмак
ooze: l11 m12 n15
SamArKin [1d\]: Мишка за вверху справа похоже ничего не боится
ooze: у б нет проблем
KGSPlus [-\]: согласен
SamArKin [1d\]: в го проблемы есть всегда ))
pomidoroff [6k\]: хе
KGSPlus [-\]: я же говорл о странном ходе
SamArKin [1d\]: даже в выигранных партиях, абсолютно выигранных
ooze: жизнь 100%
KGSPlus [-\]: ни то ни сё
]
;W[lb]
;B[ki]
;W[md]
;B[me]C[SamArKin [1d\]: мало белым!!!!
]
;W[ld]C[pomidoroff [6k\]: отдал с потерями
SamArKin [1d\]: это только проблему жизни решает
ooze: готе
]
;B[np]C[ooze: зачем б темп отдал
SamArKin [1d\]: а проблемы у белых остались
SamArKin [1d\]: не играет белый сильнее 1 дана
ooze: теперь за б трудно
]
;W[or]
;B[oo]
;W[nq]C[SamArKin [1d\]: как-то свои проблемы белый слишком мелко решает
ooze: опять темп отдал
]
;B[ql]C[SamArKin [1d\]: белый не успевает решать своих проблем
]
;W[oj]C[SamArKin [1d\]: у белых уже ничего не осталось, кроме живых и полуживых групп
pomidoroff [6k\]: как ни странно
]
;B[nk]C[pomidoroff [6k\]: попадос
SamArKin [1d\]: так, Влад, первые ходы к этому и вели
]
;W[rl]C[SamArKin [1d\]: сейчас не проспать камни вверху справа чёрным
]
;B[rm]C[pomidoroff [6k\]: по моему уже может отдать
]
;W[qk]C[ooze: б могут и пожить тут
]
;B[pl]C[ooze: только не атк
]
;W[rg]C[ooze: так
SamArKin [1d\]: меня бы вверху справа сильный игрок съел
SamArKin [1d\]: и снова белые хотят лишь жизнь себе создать
]
;B[nh]
;W[rf]C[SamArKin [1d\]: теперь сложно чёрных ловить
]
;B[qe]
;W[se]
;B[qh]
;W[rh]
;B[qi]C[pomidoroff [6k\]: а ты им чего предложишь?
]
;W[ri]C[ooze: ну бю ваще шикарно вышли
]
;B[lo]C[SamArKin [1d\]: из-за проблемы с группой справа белым некогда играть против моё чёрных в нижнем углу
SamArKin [1d\]: извиняюсь, проблемы есть у белых у группы слева
]
;W[jq]C[ooze: ой б думает так выиграет?
]
;B[kp]
;W[kq]
(;B[ip])
(;B[io]C[SamArKin [1d\]: партия демонстрирует концепцию, что 2-3 линия - это линия поражения
]
;W[nj]C[pomidoroff [6k\]: не, это линия выживания
SamArKin [1d\]: похоже, что белый не думает о победе, он думает, как бы выжить везде
pomidoroff [6k\]: и кроме этого ничего не светит
]
(;B[mk])
(;B[mj]C[ooze: n11 не пугает?
]
;W[ok]C[SamArKin [1d\]: тут не пугает
]
;B[mi]
;W[nl]
;B[mk]C[ooze: испугался
]
;W[ol]C[pomidoroff [6k\]: ему доиграть теперь только
pomidoroff [6k\]: зачем рисковать
]
(;B[rk]C[SamArKin [1d\]: e9 и чёрным хватит вполне
]
;W[ek]C[SamArKin [1d\]: отрежит кейму
zmb [7k\]: а чего за ветки в партии ?
])
(;B[ml]C[SamArKin [1d\]: похоже транслятор ошибается ))
]
;W[ek]
;B[rk]
;W[rj]C[SamArKin [1d\]: это же детишки играют, они перехаживать дают )))
]
;B[dk]C[SamArKin [1d\]: e9 для белых был подобен сдаче
SamArKin [1d\]: e10 e8 и что делать белым?
pomidoroff [6k\]: да там и лезть особо некуда
]
;W[el]
;B[ej]
;W[dj]C[pomidoroff [6k\]: не выживет
SamArKin [1d\]: это белые неплохо сыграли
SamArKin [1d\]: так хоть шанс появился
pomidoroff [6k\]: d8 d7 g7 тогда надо было, если этот шанс искать
SamArKin [1d\]: у чёрных проблемы
]
;B[dm]
;W[fj]C[SamArKin [1d\]: самое простое
SamArKin [1d\]: b4 есть ли здесь адзи?
SamArKin [1d\]: сильный игрок у меня бы завалил тут весь угол
ooze: только не b4
]
;B[hl]C[pomidoroff [6k\]: мих решил не париться
]
;W[cq]C[SamArKin [1d\]: b4 или даст жизнь в углу простую или тут проблемы могут возникнуть с разрезанием чёрных по d8 c7
ooze: правильное время
]
;B[bp]C[SamArKin [1d\]: так если белые ничего бы не сделали в углу, то сразу могли сдаваться
ooze: ч могут не выиграть
]
;W[eq]C[ooze: б неплохо играет иногда
ooze: если щас б выживут здесь то все решит есэ
]
;B[fp]C[woodgo [9k\]: наврятли....у черных достаточное преимущество...наверно
SamArKin [1d\]: у чёрных преимущество было именно из-за этого угла
SamArKin [1d\]: если угол потерять, то всё очень близко становится
]
;W[dp]C[ooze: я бы сказал не близко, а у б+коми
woodgo [9k\]: сколько коми?
]
;B[do]C[pomidoroff [6k\]: как-то нехорошо прогибается ситуация
woodgo [9k\]: хм извиняюсь 8 вижу....
ooze: но если миша тут найдет хотя бы ко, то все нормально
]
;W[hr]C[ooze: ой
SamArKin [1d\]: белые решили не рисковать
pomidoroff [6k\]: для дураков
ooze: теперь все ясно
pomidoroff [6k\]: анреспектбл
]
;B[er]
;W[eo]
;B[ep]
;W[dn]
;B[dq]C[pomidoroff [6k\]: гуд
SamArKin [1d\]: такое ощущение, что Миша поторопился где-то
pomidoroff [6k\]: а теперь дискотека
ooze: d8
SamArKin [1d\]: e2 мне не нравился
]
;W[hm]
;B[gm]C[pomidoroff [6k\]: не, не умеет давить до конца
SamArKin [1d\]: да сложно в реальной партии, нервы, время и куча других факторов
masek [?\]: ацкая у них партия
pomidoroff [6k\]: ктоб спорил
masek [?\]: отходил смотрю на рисунок резвились ,детки
]
;W[cm]
;B[dl]
;W[fm]
;B[gn]
;W[cn]
;B[em]C[ooze: б какую-то ерунду нагородили
pomidoroff [6k\]: белый мутит просто
Defensor [5k\]: А самим не проще было в e7?
pomidoroff [6k\]: на ошибку...
]
;W[en]C[ooze: проще
]
;B[fl]C[ooze: b9
]
;W[bk]
;B[fk]C[SamArKin [1d\]: только отвлёкся на пару сек и такая позиция ))
]
;W[bj]
;B[ei]C[ooze: ч+10
OTBEPTKA [3k\]: жадность творит чудеса
Defensor [5k\]: А много белый выиграл от этого размена?
]
;W[bc]
;B[cg]C[ooze: e13
]
;W[bg]C[ooze: шанс
ooze: был
pomidoroff [6k\]: без шанса нельзя себя оставлять. тогда сдаваться сразу
]
;B[bf]
;W[bh]
;B[bd]
;W[dd]
;B[cc]
;W[ad]
;B[dh]
;W[bb]
;B[ib]
;W[jb]
;B[ha]
;W[mf]
;B[ne]
;W[ja]
;B[cb]
;W[nn]C[OTBEPTKA [3k\]: су убил убелых все
]
;B[mp]
;W[ca]
;B[eb]
;W[eg]
;B[eh]C[pomidoroff [6k\]: сдастся?
]
;W[ba]
;B[cf]
;W[af]
;B[cj]
;W[ci]C[ooze: t8 и все
]
;B[sl]
;W[bo]
;B[ro]
;W[rp]
;B[gr]
;W[iq]
;B[la]
;W[mb]
;B[ma]
;W[gf]
;B[ed]
;W[de]C[SamArKin [1d\]: Мишка всё ёсе умудрился забрать
]
;B[ff]
;W[jd]
;B[da]
;W[ap]
;B[aq]
;W[ao]
;B[co]
;W[bq]
;B[ar]
;W[dp]
;B[cr]
;W[br]C[Defensor [5k\]: Что это было?
pomidoroff [6k\]: я тоже проспал
pomidoroff [6k\]: чудесят
nemo04 [?\]: сначала Гаити, потом Чили, теперь здесь...
pomidoroff [6k\]: да ваще ужос
Defensor [5k\]: Я онлайн смотрел и сначала не понял почему угол забелел.
]
;B[mm]
;W[cs]
;B[dr]
;W[fg]
;B[fh]
;W[oh]
;B[og]
;W[ph]
;B[pi]
;W[oi]
;B[qg]
;W[mg]
;B[ng]
;W[on]
;B[qo]
;W[mn]
;B[ln]C[OTBEPTKA [3k\]: выпендривается пацаненок
]
;W[lq]C[Defensor [5k\]: А что там по очкам? Кто ведёт?
]
;B[cl]
;W[bl]C[OTBEPTKA [3k\]: сводит к близкому результату
]
;B[fn]C[pomidoroff [6k\]: черный плюс 4
]
;W[pm]
;B[sp]
;W[sq]
;B[so]C[Defensor [5k\]: Сколько он у нижнем левом углу потерял?
]
;W[sj]C[pomidoroff [6k\]: h4
pomidoroff [6k\]: 13 очей
]
;B[ds]
;W[ho]C[woodgo [9k\]: точно 13? мне показалось что-то около 20
]
;B[hn]C[Defensor [5k\]: А мне показалось 22
woodgo [9k\]: во во
pomidoroff [6k\]: 13 + 4 если точно
]
;W[bs]
;B[hq]
;W[hp]
;B[gq]
;W[ip]C[pomidoroff [6k\]: о
pomidoroff [6k\]: можно слить
pomidoroff [6k\]: при желании
]
;B[ir]
;W[jr]C[woodgo [9k\]: к5
]
;B[hs]C[woodgo [9k\]: за белых
]
;W[jo]C[woodgo [9k\]: угу
]
;B[in]
;W[lp]C[pomidoroff [6k\]: тупо
woodgo [9k\]: ну я так понимаю там уже эмоции) там не до расчетов)
]
;B[qm]
;W[ko]
;B[kn]
;W[sk]C[pomidoroff [6k\]: еще очко отдал
pomidoroff [6k\]: вничью что ли сводит?
woodgo [9k\]: Мишу выбил из игры "так" потерянный угол
]
;B[pn]
;W[rl]
;B[om]
;W[nm]
;B[rk]C[woodgo [9k\]: видимо он уже выйграл в мыслях....а тут так....
]
;W[mh]C[Defensor [5k\]: p4 q7 s8 - они их вечно собрались играть. )
]
;B[ni]
;W[rl]
;B[sm]
;W[ia]
;B[jn]
;W[jp]
;B[hb]C[pomidoroff [6k\]: n17
]
;W[op]
;B[pk]
;W[pj]
;B[oq]
;W[od]
;B[nd]
;W[op]
;B[no]C[Defensor [5k\]: Счёт уже на 1-2 очка идёт, что-то больно активно заборолись они за эти камни?
]
;W[mo]C[woodgo [9k\]: да нет вроде бы белый уже ведет
pomidoroff [6k\]: оценщик дает белым плюс
]
;B[rn]
;W[lh]C[woodgo [9k\]: белый выигрывает пару очков +коми (
]
;B[oa]
;W[pb]C[pomidoroff [6k\]: шо за отстой
]
;B[mc]
;W[lc]
;B[le]
;W[lf]
;B[li]
;W[js]C[pomidoroff [6k\]: Гена, йосе отдал. за так
]
;B[df]
;W[ae]
;B[is]C[woodgo [9k\]: Гена?:))
]
;W[oq]C[OTBEPTKA [3k\]: проморгал
pomidoroff [6k\]: Гена писал, что мих всё йосе забрал
]
;B[pm]
;W[rk]C[woodgo [9k\]: аааа
]
;B[fo]
;W[he]
;B[go]
;W[gp]
;B[gd]
;W[ge]
;B[nf]
;W[pg]C[woodgo [9k\]: мда конечно удивителен был ход в с6
pomidoroff [6k\]: новозеландские - это разновидность китая?
OTBEPTKA [3k\]: да
OTBEPTKA [3k\]: но по инговским играют
OTBEPTKA [3k\]: тоже где-то так
pomidoroff [6k\]: в условиях написано - новозеландские
Defensor [5k\]: Это всегда так все нейтральные пункты заполняют?
OTBEPTKA [3k\]: кгс инговские не поддерживает
pomidoroff [6k\]: а
woodgo [9k\]: тут же на реальной доске) и поэтому для того чтобы считалось лучше заполняют...
OTBEPTKA [3k\]: очтков 10
OTBEPTKA [3k\]: проиграл
Defensor [5k\]: 8,5
ngarry [-\]: EuroGoTV2 [-\]: White has won the game!
]))))
(;B[nd]
;W[pf]C[pomidoroff [6k\]: Гена?
]
;B[fe]
;W[ef]
;B[jc]C[KGSPlus [-\]: так - логично
])
(;B[fe]
;W[ef]
;B[nd]C[KGSPlus [-\]: так - еще как-то никчго
]))

[ngarry]

(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[300]OT[1x10 byo-yomi]
GN[European Youth Go Championship under 16 2010 board 1 round 1]PW[Vanessa Wong]PB[Lukas Podpera]WR[5d]BR[4d]DT[2010-03-05]EV[European Youth Go Championship under 16 2010 board 1 round 1]RO[1]PC[Sibiu, Romania]US[HW9x9]C[dutch2dan [1d\]: Hi Harry!
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: hoi
dutch2dan [1d\]: Speelt Artem ook mee?
dutch2dan [1d\]: Sccrap that one
]
;B[qd]C[EuroGoTV1 [-\]: nee
]
;W[dp]
;B[pq]
;W[dc]
;B[oc]
;W[po]C[sheeryjay [3k?\]: Umm, harry, it is Lukáš Podpěra ... or without diacritics Lukas Podpera
]
;B[qo]
;W[qn]
;B[qp]
;W[rd]C[teacup [2d?\]: where's tv? ^^
Sandmann [-\]: maybe it's someone else
scurge [4d\]: Go lukan go
]
;B[qe]C[scurge [4d\]: and he is 3dan isnt he?
]
;W[pn]
;B[nq]C[sheeryjay [3k?\]: I think Milos wrote that they take ranks by +-50 ratings ... so probly 4d
]
;W[qj]C[scurge [4d\]: aha good
scurge [4d\]: R15 is a weird move btw, isnt it?
holynec [?\]: how young are these people
]
;B[de]C[Sandmann [-\]: i wouldn't know why
sheeryjay [3k?\]: holynec, under 16
zazie [-\]: they're both quite strong
sheeryjay [3k?\]: Lukas will be unable to compete next year
Iciac [6k\]: c15
FairyTale [4d\]: c15 big mistake, d15 only move
NschoTschi [-\]: Vanessa is from England?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: live TV broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live ... =EuroGoTV1
]
;W[dg]C[zazie [-\]: yes
NschoTschi [-\]: and Lucas?
Iciac [6k\]: d15 had been played, no?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Czech
squeeze [1k\]: korean?
NschoTschi [-\]: thx
sheeryjay [3k?\]: Fairy, why would have been C15 mistake?
holynec [?\]: id say r15 was a mistake!
FairyTale [4d\]: *whoosh*
Iciac [6k\]: lol
]
;B[fe]
;W[fc]
;B[cc]
;W[cb]
;B[cd]
;W[eb]C[holynec [?\]: IS THIE JOSEKI?!
holynec [?\]: or FUSEKI?!
squeeze [1k\]: calm down holynec
holynec [?\]: :-}
FairyTale [4d\]: holynec trippin out
Iciac [6k\]: Yose makemashita, holy
teacup [2d?\]: cool view
holynec [?\]: yose resign?
scurge [4d\]: i think lukan will play c13
Iciac [6k\]: Exactly. W + 3000
Besarionis [17k\]: where did she go
holynec [?\]: i agree iciac
Iciac [6k\]: k17
NschoTschi [-\]: c10 ?
squeeze [1k\]: take a break ?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: this game should have been the final
squeeze [1k\]: what do you mean by should have been ?
Besarionis [17k\]: there she is
scurge [4d\]: Do you have some informations on vanessa? she is pretty mysterious to me:-/
Maroncsan [-\]: she used to study in korea
sorineu [2k?\]: those youth are strongest from championship?
Maroncsan [-\]: small girl, around 15-16?
]
;B[dj]C[scurge [4d\]: she was born in the UK?
NschoTschi [-\]: Is there a homepage for the tournament?
Maroncsan [-\]: i think she has double nationality because she is from Hongkong..but i might be very wrong
scurge [4d\]: There are still 3-4 similar strenght
Sandmann [-\]: i met her 2 yeas ago^^
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: live TV broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live ... =EuroGoTV1
scurge [4d\]: ok
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: there is a nice interview with her on eurogotv-videos
FairyTale [4d\]: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qj5wBg170ZY
scurge [4d\]: oh, isnt it laura playing bottom right corner?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: search for vanessa
]
;W[fg]C[EuroGoTV1 [-\]: yrs, thats Laura
Sandmann [-\]:
]
;B[he]C[scurge [4d\]:
Iciac [6k\]: Interesting fuseki
FairyTale [4d\]: seems pretty boring to me so far
Iciac [6k\]: Thus the 8 stones difference.
Maroncsan [-\]: eurogotv, dont u happen to know who magdalena is playing with? bulgarian girl
Maroncsan [-\]: or is there a pairing?
typohh [11k\]: Ive never understood how this joseki is fair for b, he gets little influence, almost no territory and has to quite often.
FairyTale [4d\]: c8 next i think?
]
;W[dl]C[typohh [11k\]: has to run quite often even
Besarionis [17k\]: close
FairyTale [4d\]: d8 more active
FairyTale [4d\]: just think it looks a little awkward with d4
FairyTale [4d\]: kind of like that interview video
Iciac [6k\]: Pincer, to pincer, to pincer... >.>
darkgift13 [6k\]: pretty even o.o
Iciac [6k\]: f10 h13 d6 would be a funny continuation
NschoTschi [-\]: Is Valerij Shikshin Ilyas brother?
]
;B[fj]C[Sandmann [-\]: father?
NschoTschi [-\]: No
FairyTale [4d\]: mother?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Valery is his father
NschoTschi [-\]: He paricipates in this tourney
NschoTschi [-\]: http://frgo.ro/tournaments_players.aspx?id_tournament=9
]
;W[hg]C[osama [20k?\]: boring game!
NschoTschi [-\]: so must be another Valerij
Kuwabara [5d?\]: Vanessa plays on kgs ?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: no, he enters the side tournament for parents and otherwsw
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: he is a world famous trainer
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: some say the best go-trainer in the world
]
;B[ij]C[NschoTschi [-\]: best Go trainer but 'only' 4d?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: yes
scurge [4d\]: somebody is falling ilnove with valerij
FairyTale [4d\]: i think nie weiping is best go trainer in the world
jersta [7k\]: i'll kill anybody just to get 4d T_T
NschoTschi [-\]: thank you Harry
Besarionis [17k\]: thats scary
wilmenrod [5d\]: nie weiping ?????
FairyTale [4d\]: ya
NschoTschi [-\]: does Valerij teach on KGS?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: yes
Maroncsan [-\]: lol scurge
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: in the Shikshin room
Iciac [6k\]: *facepalm* b is aiming at d7 T_T
FairyTale [4d\]: white should just jump again
FairyTale [4d\]: jump up jump up and get down
scurge [4d\]: i dont know if it was worth jumping one line further, it may be problems later :-/
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: are picture and sound ok?
]
;W[jg]C[FairyTale [4d\]: i agree w/ scurge
SoDesuNe [9k\]: yep
bonobo03 [6k\]: yes
egogo [5k\]: very good
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: thx
scurge [4d\]: its very noizy in the room
]
;B[ih]C[EuroGoTV1 [-\]: 100 children^^
Sandmann [-\]: it's full of kids
scurge [4d\]: )
Woodrose [?\]: kill them
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: lol
Besarionis [17k\]: stop that now
]
;W[ig]
;B[je]C[Iciac [6k\]: b looks quite comfortable here
Woodrose [?\]: cut the tobies
FairyTale [4d\]: kosumi or jump again
scurge [4d\]: lukan is strong in the fighting, this kind of game doesnt fit ghim
FillC [8k\]: w can get away with j15?
FairyTale [4d\]: i'd kosumi
Draxt [5k\]: H11 ?
]
;W[ke]
;B[kd]C[typohh [11k\]: what rules are in use in this game? how much time?
]
;W[kf]C[gnos [6k\]: Noisy room to have a game in
Highlander [5d\]: L16 a bit passive?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: ING rules i believe
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: live TV broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live ... =EuroGoTV1
Goemon [?\]: noisy indeed
FairyTale [4d\]: i wish i was a kid again
DanielTom [4d\]: q6 should be at q7 of course - otherwise s16 doesn't make sense
Goemon [?\]: i wish i was an adult again ^^
jersta [7k\]: is r11 joseki a better support for s16?
]
;B[ld]C[DanielTom [4d\]: of course
jersta [7k\]: :0
DanielTom [4d\]: the point of s16 is to make black not like r12
DanielTom [4d\]: here Black is still happy to get r12, so s16 is bad
zh [4k\]: hi
Goemon [?\]: l11 w must?
Maroncsan [-\]: nice effects on the video stream eurogotv
Goemon [?\]: but afterwards b has h17 huge gote
Guardian [6k?\]: what is this
Sandmann [-\]: an earthquake??
MCK [17k\]: lol
]
;W[ki]C[Goemon [?\]: q11 b i would play this first
]
;B[kk]C[Woodrose [?\]: looks so bad
kill2010 [3k\]: black is not solid
MCK [17k\]: that does look bad
AtariLuc [5k?\]: cut!
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: black looks ahead to me
Woodrose [?\]: cut the sound off the video
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: sound not good?/
MCK [17k\]: it's a bunch of muffled jabbering
]
;W[jk]C[Sandmann [-\]: i'm not sure if s16 r15 exchange became good or bad:o
]
;B[jj]
;W[kj]C[Woodrose [?\]: sound is a total disaster mate
wayward [1k\]: MCK, you're receiving signals from the aliens
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: strange
MCK [17k\]: I'd believe it
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: let me check the settings
jersta [7k\]: windmil?
wayward [1k\]: will they go Dutch?
IGoofy [1d\]: sound is bad because of the small delays
Besarionis [17k\]: he looks upset
AtariLuc [5k?\]: that wasnt very clever of B
Besarionis [17k\]: hulk smash
Sandmann [-\]: sound is bad because there are too many kids
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: sound better now?
Suphyph [9k\]: i thought he looks bored.
Guardian [6k?\]: b in quite some trouble
Highlander [5d\]: where?
AtariLuc [5k?\]: h8
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: live TV broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live ... =EuroGoTV1
lesid [4k\]: s16 was quite strange, and even more since nobody plays around
wayward [1k\]: EuroGoTV, there's nothing happening in the video
Woodrose [?\]: l8
nandaka [5d\]: lesid, you wrong
wayward [1k\]: just some guys playing some game
tomason [1k\]: The correct name of the black player is Lukas Podpera
Besarionis [17k\]: what was that sound
lesid [4k\]: why nandaka
wrongkyu [4k?\]: lesid learn strange move
wayward [1k\]: probably cellphone interference
wrongkyu [4k?\]: yosu-miru
nandaka [5d\]: Too difficult to explain to you
nandaka [5d\]: but good move - not strange
DanielTom [4d\]: it is easy
]
;B[kl]C[dfdbd: isn't Lucas Podp. really Lukas?
nandaka [5d\]: Yes, 'probe'
DanielTom [4d\]: it was a good move, but W made it bad with r10
ardent [6k\]: How typical of go You are wrong but I can't explain why. Just rest assured that you are wrong
tomason [1k\]: Czech spelling is Lukas and there are accents on S and A
lesid [4k\]: thanks for support ardent xD
]
;W[ik]C[wrongkyu [4k?\]: r17 give w life in corner now.. but this too smal
wrongkyu [4k?\]: small*
wayward [1k\]: Lukáš?
Goemon [?\]: k12
tomason [1k\]: good wayward
Suphyph [9k\]: @ardent: that's the thing. It gets ineffable.
Woodrose [?\]: k12 bad
wayward [1k\]: Podpora means "support"
nandaka [5d\]: ok, ardent. you know meaning of 'not even wrong' - look up on Internet - that is what I mean.
Woodrose [?\]: why would you p^lay this
DanielTom [4d\]: s16 is a probe. If Black plays r15, W is happy because he can choose the joseki W q7 (black o3 ) W r11 and then of course Black r13 would look bad. but if W hadn't played the probe, r13 would be good for Black
Goemon [?\]: why wouldnt you?
NschoTschi [-\]: r17 lives anytime w wants
]
;B[hk]C[mold [2k?\]: what is the website for this
mold [2k?\]: who are the players?
Woodrose [?\]: liberty privation
]
;W[jm]C[Woodrose [?\]: bad shape
Woodrose [?\]: bad move
Woodrose [?\]: all is wrong with k12
Goemon [?\]: sure(!)\\
kill2010 [2k\]: good postion for white?
mold [2k?\]: there is no information in eurogotv1 info
nandaka [5d\]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Not_even_wrong
]
;B[km]C[wayward [1k\]: was that Pauli?
ardent [6k\]: I don't know the meaning of 'not even wrong', but I will look it up. No offence to anyone, just finds it a bit amusing that we can't.. thx nakada
DanielTom [4d\]: j7 lucky W
]
;W[im]C[mold [2k?\]: http://frgo.ro/15th-European-Youth-Goe-Championship
saimic [2k\]: b already lost
mold [2k?\]: ok i found the info by myself
mold [2k?\]: dood you guys should be more helpful
catsoldier [8k\]: mold, the names are right above the chat, and if you would scroll, you would see the website.
nandaka [5d\]: But Daniel, B can also answer at s17 or s15 or r17 or q16
mold [2k?\]: i would have to download the sgf from kgs archive to read from the beginning of the chat
IGoofy [1d\]: why they let grandpas in ?
mold [2k?\]: because i just got in
DanielTom [4d\]: nandaka, that is why I said "IF Black plays r15"
ardent [6k\]: Read the link, but I'm not sure how it relates to the question wether s 16 is decent move or not. Surely white had som tactial och strategical considerations in mind when playing it?
DanielTom [4d\]: r15 is usually a bad answer to the probe
]
;B[el]C[DanielTom [4d\]: but Black wanted to keep the game simple
AtariLuc [5k?\]: hane
sheeryjay [3k?\]: mold, you can just now view the game offline .. and read all the chat from start
nandaka [5d\]: Ardent, you said s16 is strange move, but you not have basic knowledge to judge. That is problem. But if you 3d or 4d, I explain meaning of move.
DanielTom [4d\]: don't be silly,nandaka
mold [2k?\]: so why dont you just tell me
mold [2k?\]: i look all over the website for this event
DanielTom [4d\]: if you explain correctly, everyone can understand
mold [2k?\]: cant find the pairing info
DanielTom [4d\]: ardent, join my demo
mold [2k?\]: i do not who who plays white and black in round one of under 16 in this tournament
Sandmann [-\]: under 16? omg it used to be under 18
Besarionis [17k\]: kids these days, won't even sit still for 2 hours for a boring board game!
nandaka [5d\]: Because you not have proper background. If I teach you astrophysics but you not know Relativity theory, there is no point in telling you.
DanielTom [4d\]: of course there is
xDragon [8k?\]: neither can adults
]
;W[dm]C[Besarionis [17k\]: adults these days
mold [2k?\]: there is under 14 under 16 and under 18
DanielTom [4d\]: when you were born, you didn't know anything
MCK [17k\]: people these days
DanielTom [4d\]: does that mean you can't go to school?
wayward [1k\]: days these days
mold [2k?\]: excuse jme
mold [2k?\]: thats under 12 not under 14
Suphyph [9k\]: By use of metaphor, I think one can get a hint of the purposes of things like astrophysics and S16.
ardent [6k\]: Hm, I'm not sure I'm buying into that. I'm aware i might not understand all the details or the biggest picture, but still I think one can tell 'useful lies'
nandaka [5d\]: Yes, but go to elementary school first. Then go to higher school.
gnos [6k\]: Or useful truths for that matter
]
;B[gm]C[mold [2k?\]: so this tournanmnetn produces 3 european youth go champions
seventeen [-\]: Gentlemen, fight in Private Chat, more over you can stop.
goshko [6k\]: where
goshko [6k\]: who is fighting?!
ardent [6k\]: I don't think it is as much a fight as a quest to understand s16
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: did i mis a good fight?
nandaka [5d\]: shape of h9 f10 g7 is bad
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: i was away for 5 minutes
mold [2k?\]: s16 is regular probe
mold [2k?\]: very common move
mold [2k?\]: see what b does
Suphyph [9k\]: I'm curious as to why b didn't respond, tho. i thought probes are supposed to be responded to?
mold [2k?\]: r15 is lets white live in corner
mold [2k?\]: b did respond by r15
]
;W[jo]C[xDragon [8k?\]: its usually a part of that joseki isnt it
Suphyph [9k\]: or was it just a non local response?
Koukkaaja [2d\]: I don't know if it's appropriate to say " more over you can stop", albeit very poetic
ardent [6k\]: But if a teacher says to a child that he can't explain something to him because the chid won't understand it I'd say it's the teacher who needs to adjust his teaching
mold [2k?\]: now if w returns to make move there can live in cirner
xDragon [8k?\]: when that joseki is played w plays a probe to see whether they should play q6 or q7
Suphyph [9k\]: Better to say nothing at all then to say that nothing can be said.
wayward [1k\]: e8 was a painful move to make
]
;B[lo]C[adinogo [3d\]: In that position, S16 was first played by Fujisawa Shuko in a game against Nie Weiping, some 20 yrs ago
ardent [6k\]: Or this way: how many here would say they understands s16?
scurge [4d\]: i have no idea who is winning :-/
Tokyo [5d\]: i don't
Guardian [6k?\]: i dont
wayward [1k\]: can we tenuki from s16 already? There's ample discussion on probes over at Sensei's.
xDragon [8k?\]: if the 5d says he doesnt itdont think the rest of us needs to answer
]
;W[ho]C[xDragon [8k?\]: ive seen it tenukied before wayward
scurge [4d\]: i do
xDragon [8k?\]: usually go down and attack the r6 group
goshko [6k\]: c3 for b soon?
wayward [1k\]: xDragon, I meant the kibitz tenuki from s16
Suphyph [9k\]: tenuki = change of subject
]
;B[en]C[xDragon [8k?\]: if you say so
Goemon [?\]: g12 b first then f4 b?
scurge [4d\]: lukas is in good mood
wayward [1k\]: all Czechs are always in good mood
csgo [?\]: d5?
sheeryjay [3k?\]: ardent ... it may pretty well be sound from the teacher .. if it is e.g. complex math or some theoretical computer science stuff ... he may have to spend like few months explaining stuff to the pupil just so that he can understand what he is talking about
goshko [6k\]: its from check beer?
regain [1k?\]: where is vanessa from?
WillFront [9k\]:
fan [-\]: ukraine
Laman [1k\]: UK
regain [1k?\]: thx
wayward [1k\]: hey Laza
AtariLuc [5k?\]: d7
typohh [11k\]: c4 make any sense?
xDragon [8k?\]: ukraine or united kingdom?
adinogo [3d\]: uk
Laman [1k\]: united kingdom
Guardian [6k?\]: s has a very bad shape
wrongkyu [4k?\]: ua = ukraine
fan [-\]: sorry
]
;W[em]
;B[fm]C[xDragon [8k?\]: yea i klnow what ukraine stands for but was trying to fix conflicting info
wayward [1k\]: Ukraine stands for... Ukraine
nandaka [5d\]: Ardent, I sent you private message, ok?
AtariLuc [5k?\]: it seamed tha b wanted to be cut...
]
;W[dn]C[mold [2k?\]: dont be fooled
Laza [5d\]: hey wayward
IGoofy [1d\]: below 7d players shouldnt try to explain anything
mold [2k?\]: white would eat own libs to try
fan [-\]: is there pairing somewhere?
]
;B[gp]C[wayward [1k\]: hey Laza, can you tell us about идимидођими in this position_
AtariLuc [5k?\]: heheh
nandaka [5d\]: Ardent not reply to my private message...
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: check the tournament site
mold [2k?\]: ko
AtariLuc [5k?\]: f5
Laza [5d\]: hard for w...
nandaka [5d\]: g5 f5 e5 ?
Laza [5d\]: seems like the only combo here...
nandaka [5d\]: W not bad
mold [2k?\]: i guess w should look for something more clever than g5 f5 e5
NschoTschi [-\]: so what did w do wrong to get in this position?
Porsche [6k\]: is there any online watching for this game?
wayward [1k\]: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live ... =EuroGoTV1
fan [-\]: checked, but found only list of players
Porsche [6k\]: ty
mold [2k?\]: was pushing e7 bad?
fan [-\]: any info about 1st round?
mold [2k?\]: maybe moves like m6
NschoTschi [-\]: this is first round?
nandaka [5d\]: Mold, already answer for W: g5 f5 e5 - B has trouble
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: yes
tomason [1k\]: I would choose black now
fan [-\]: about who is playing who
Porsche [6k\]: wow lot's of people
]
;W[iq]C[Porsche [6k\]: why are you guyz so quiet? :\\
mold [2k?\]: aiming at g3
NschoTschi [-\]: submissive?
Multipass [4d?\]: smart
Besarionis [17k\]: get that kids head outta da way!
Besarionis [17k\]: :p
Goemon [?\]: f3
]
;B[fq]C[Suphyph [9k\]: haha, he hushed the kid
Goemon [?\]: m3
mold [2k?\]: m3 is bad
]
;W[hl]
;B[gk]C[GenVital [2k\]: m3 l4 bad shape
]
;W[kq]C[mold [2k?\]: you get more by going m6 l6 l5 n6 m4 m7
nandaka [5d\]: I tried to give explanation, but kyu player (mold) says I not qualified. So he talk and you get good commentary and not become stronger
]
;B[lq]C[dfdbd: ok
Goemon [?\]: i prefer a 5d over a kyu
mold [2k?\]: i missed your explanation
mold [2k?\]: sorry dont meant to ignore you
nandaka [5d\]: yes, mold, because you talk but not listen
IGoofy [1d\]: the quality depends on the content not of a players rank
tudiloo [4k\]: which countries are opponents from?
]
;W[lr]C[dfdbd: ...but content depends on rank..
ibd [7k?\]: l4
NschoTschi [-\]: England vs czech
sheeryjay [3k?\]: United Kingdom and Czech Republic
Goemon [?\]: players rank related to quality moves
mold [2k?\]: nandaka you think kyu players should just shut up
nandaka [5d\]: IGoofy, you wrong also. Rank very important. If 8d talks I listen
]
;B[kp]
;W[jq]C[saimic [2k\]: i think that too..
wayward [1k\]: go CR!
MilanChe [-\]: go wayward!
saimic [2k\]: kyu player should keep their voices really down.
IGoofy [1d\]: yes, 5d shoul dlisten not talk
Goemon [?\]: i agree
wayward [1k\]: напред наши
tudiloo [4k\]: and where is the championship held this year?
MilanChe [-\]:
]
;B[mr]C[saimic [2k\]: sibiu romania
Goemon [?\]: 5d i listen you
dfdbd: romania, home of dracuka
]
;W[ks]C[tudiloo [4k\]: dracuka?
mold [2k?\]: 5d really dont need to participate if only for selfish reasons
Hitagi [2d\]: i only listen to pro players hehe
dfdbd: ye dracula's wife
nandaka [5d\]: W now in trouble - he should have cut but not at M6. Before he should have cut at g5 f5 e5 - then W can fight
NschoTschi [-\]: Nandaka: Please don't feed th troll and keep on comenting about the game. When 5d comments I listen!
NschoTschi [-\]: THank you
Goemon [?\]: so w's shape is not alive yet
pippo2 [11k\]: h2 ? j4 ?
petraube [2k\]: T1?
IGoofy [1d\]: 5d are proven wrong too often. otherwise they would be 6d
csgo [?\]: c3 big
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: live TV broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live ... =EuroGoTV1
mold [2k?\]: what did white dislike about g5 f5 e5
NschoTschi [-\]: I Goofy 1d are proven to be much more often weong
Besarionis [17k\]: hush now, i have the authority
Besarionis [17k\]: :p
Goemon [?\]: ok let's focus on game not personal things...
]
;B[hr]C[IGoofy [1d\]: yes, thats why i dont try to explain anything
mold [2k?\]: of course w found that sequence and considered it
pippo2 [11k\]: yes h2, not t1
mold [2k?\]: then very deliberately chose a different path
]
;W[mp]C[csgo [?\]: h2 does not threaten w
Iciac [6k\]: And if I've become personally invested in this game, Goemon =S
wayward [1k\]: HW9x9, how about putting the link in the game info, under Game Comment? Then just refer people to Options|Rules
]
;B[mq]C[wayward [1k\]: do it a few times and it'll become more or less well known
Goemon [?\]: now w is aiming m6 after n4?
csgo [?\]: w e2?
NschoTschi [-\]: one eye @ the botttom is safe?
Orandajinn [2k\]: how old are these players?
DanielTom [4d\]: not yet
Goemon [?\]: yes
]
;W[kn]C[wrongkyu [4k?\]: painless
]
;B[ln]C[wrongkyu [4k?\]: for w
Suphyph [9k\]: how is it determined which side of the board the clock goes on?
]
;W[ko]C[Hitagi [2d\]: they are under 16yo
nandaka [5d\]: l6 m6 l5 is very painful - w will lose the game now
Goemon [?\]: alive
NschoTschi [-\]: Suphy on a real board w can choose where to place the clock
wrongkyu [4k?\]: n1
DanielTom [4d\]: B can kill
Hitagi [2d\]: which move?
petraube [2k\]: K8
csgo [?\]: j1?
GenVital [2k\]: d2?
]
;B[lp]C[DanielTom [4d\]: j1, but first needs preparation
DanielTom [4d\]: like h4
Goemon [?\]: j1 alive
DanielTom [4d\]: how'
NschoTschi [-\]: j1 k1 ?
wayward [1k\]: j1 k1 n1
Goemon [?\]: w j1
NschoTschi [-\]: ok
wrongkyu [4k?\]: j1 k1 n1 m1 k2
DanielTom [4d\]: yes don't forget n1
wayward [1k\]: in short: bottom is one gote eye
]
;W[ir]C[DanielTom [4d\]: here W can live tho
DanielTom [4d\]: j2 yes
DanielTom [4d\]: enough
DanielTom [4d\]: W has 2 eyes
DanielTom [4d\]: m4 was ba
DanielTom [4d\]: bad*
wrongkyu [4k?\]: m4 was greedy
Goemon [?\]: c3 b now?
wrongkyu [4k?\]: b afraid
mold [2k?\]: at least b make bad move sometimes
nandaka [5d\]: But B is not alive completely either
Hitagi [2d\]: greedy is always good
pippo2 [11k\]: c3 ?
squeeze [1k\]: now white good and leads ?
mold [2k?\]: looks like a game to me
NschoTschi [-\]: c3 too dangerous for b big group?
Suphyph [9k\]: Are those Ing bowls that count the stones?
wayward [1k\]: what?
uzmest [2k\]: yeah
csgo [?\]: I wonder if w e2 instead of j2 can still protect w?
Hitagi [2d\]: how do they count?
wayward [1k\]: next you'll tell me there are piggy banks that count coins, sure
LengJai [7k\]: holy smokes! they're kids!
fan [-\]: bolws that are always broken
]
;B[er]C[leger [1d\]: wayward, the ign bowls do count the stones.
dfdbda: how old is the girl?
leger [1d\]: don't embarass yourself
Suphyph [9k\]: I hear there are lots of broken Ing bowls in the world.
]
;W[cr]C[squeeze [1k\]: 14
petraube [2k\]: why not K8? W sacrifices 2 stones to live and B connects
GenVital [2k\]: isnt that small?
wayward [1k\]: not knowing is not embarassing, leger.
Hitagi [2d\]: even SE can't count correctly, how can a bowl?
]
;B[gh]
;W[gg]C[uzmest [2k\]: bowls are smarter !
Hitagi [2d\]: must be it!
DanielTom [4d\]: e2 awkward
fan [-\]: soper-bowl
dfdbda: bowls made of sapient pearwood
]
;B[mj]C[leger [1d\]: ing bowls are a bit like bee hives
DanielTom [4d\]: greedy
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: black is very aggresive
squeeze [1k\]: how to respond ?
mold [2k?\]: n8 is ugly
leger [1d\]: you put all the stones and the bowl's system make them fall in some order; my english fails to have enough words to describe this better
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: black e2 might be the losing move
]
;W[id]C[Suphyph [9k\]: The effort at explanation is appreciated.
]
;B[ie]C[Hitagi [2d\]: a magical mechanism
wayward [1k\]: I've seen those, they don't really "count", they just aid counting.
leger [1d\]: yes of course, it's magic
leger [1d\]: ing bowls are as magically powerful as harry potter
mold [2k?\]: white cannot cut
Hitagi [2d\]: wow
]
;W[mh]C[MrZNF [1d\]: white can cut just fine
MrZNF [1d\]: g16 g15 k16
]
;B[oj]C[mold [2k?\]: no that cut fails
mold [2k?\]: well its ko
mold [2k?\]: ok
mold [2k?\]: thats a ko
mold [2k?\]: sorry
MrZNF [1d\]: yeah
]
;W[ql]C[langit7 [3k?\]: w to short 1 stone to cut
]
;B[mf]C[nandaka [5d\]: It is ko, but bad ko for W
mold [2k?\]: but the ko b takes first
MrZNF [1d\]: yeah bad ko for w I guess
]
;W[ch]C[Hitagi [2d\]: ugly shape there
steles [-\]: is Black alive ?
MrZNF [1d\]: b is alive everywhere I think
mold [2k?\]: w r17 still lives
IGoofy [1d\]: no
Orandajinn [2k\]: depends on response
IGoofy [1d\]: n14 cancelled r17
Orandajinn [2k\]: lololol
]
;B[bi]C[MrZNF [1d\]: what's funny~~
mold [2k?\]: it did?
steles [-\]: E15 ?
Orandajinn [2k\]: it
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: e15 suggested by a nson ng
mold [2k?\]: trying to kill r17 is very risky
IGoofy [1d\]: b can answer at r18 now
MrZNF [1d\]: e15 not possible yet
nandaka [5d\]: IGoofy - N14 and r17 almost unrelated
]
;W[ci]
;B[cj]
;W[ei]
;B[ej]C[IGoofy [1d\]: pfff
dfdbda: nice troll attempt, igoof
MrZNF [1d\]: now it is
NschoTschi [-\]: b9
MrZNF [1d\]: or not
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: bll is very risky
mold [2k?\]: especially with the cut aji at k16
Orandajinn [2k\]: its helps
]
;W[ee]C[steles [-\]: ooh
IGoofy [1d\]: wr17 br18
]
;B[ef]
;W[ed]C[EuroGoTV1 [-\]: black in trouble
mold [2k?\]: i do not think that r17 can be killed
]
;B[df]C[MrZNF [1d\]: she's doing it
Georg [1d\]: no
]
;W[ff]C[nandaka [5d\]: Now, Zeno-chan, watch!
langit7 [3k?\]: very well
ibd [7k?\]: b14?
MrZNF [1d\]: I'm watching nandaka
NschoTschi [-\]: f16
]
;B[eg]C[NschoTschi [-\]: for fun
]
;W[eh]
;B[cg]
;W[bh]
;B[dh]C[EuroGoTV1 [-\]: black in trouble
leger [1d\]: nah
]
;W[di]C[wrongkyu [4k?\]: w in trouble
Georg [1d\]: no
Orandajinn [2k\]: i like tea
leger [1d\]: this is nothing !
steles [-\]: both in trouble now ?
Georg [1d\]:
Orandajinn [2k\]: i drink evary day
mold [2k?\]: i think that w could have gone b13 instead of b12
wrongkyu [4k?\]: i want f12
wrongkyu [4k?\]: here
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: i don't know
IGoofy [1d\]: telling r17 is unrelated with n14 i srather noobish
Georg [1d\]: you mean a lose-lose-situation?
Orandajinn [2k\]: haha
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: f12 do not suceed
wrongkyu [4k?\]: f12 b10 b9 a10 c9 b14 ?
mold [2k?\]: igoofy anyway there used to be bad aji at k16
GocchiSama [4d?\]: if white kill black group,instead black gonna wipe out all white territories in bottom corner
IGoofy [1d\]: right mold
mold [2k?\]: that would be more related to the corner than n14 might
wrongkyu [4k?\]: or not b14
blehc: o.o under 16 and 5d nice going ``
]
;B[bg]C[Hitagi [2d\]: and female?
mold [2k?\]: b10
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: black's outer group is also in trouble
AngelDeath [6k\]: what with timing?
]
;W[bj]C[csgo [?\]: b has to b13 and then b18 to live, I think
Georg [1d\]: agree
mold [2k?\]: i would rather w had played b13 when chance
]
;B[bk]C[Georg [1d\]: and w has to cut C9
mold [2k?\]: f12
wrongkyu [4k?\]: great
]
;W[ai]
;B[fh]
(;W[ck]C[kahin [4k\]: f12-c9
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: one of the black group's will die
Georg [1d\]: b aims at the center, i think
])
(;W[bl]C[iLMM [-\]: both
mold [2k?\]: now b can live
nandaka [5d\]: f12 was not so good - lost a lot of pts
wildaxt [6k\]: Oo
LengJai [7k\]: what what
]
;B[bb]
;W[ba]C[LengJai [7k\]: did she just click undo
wrongkyu [4k?\]: b missread
wrongkyu [4k?\]: lol
mold [2k?\]: maybe it was bad
mold [2k?\]: i was thinking f12 may allow w to eat corner
]
;B[ac]C[wrongkyu [4k?\]: hm
NschoTschi [-\]: can w leave this is sente?
]
;W[ge]C[Javaness [2d\]: oh they started today
xDragon [8k?\]: thought this was awful early for a tourney to start
DerWitt [1d\]: f12 obviuosly wrong
NschoTschi [-\]: b15 starts a ko?
csgo [?\]: c9 sente
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: a 18 starts ko
]
;B[dk]
;W[ak]C[mold [2k?\]: s15 would be large
nandaka [5d\]: f12 cuts two live groups, while defending at c8 instead would make W play at F12.
]
;B[qi]
;W[ri]
;B[rh]C[kahin [4k\]: this game is very nice
NschoTschi [-\]: w will get r17?
wayward [1k\]: why am I still up watching this? It's past 5am. Have a good night/day/afternoon everyone
wayward [1k\]:
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: ^^
squeeze [1k\]: night
NschoTschi [-\]: its 11 am
leger [1d\]: you should stay
leger [1d\]: sleeping is sad
Besarionis [17k\]: 0115 here
]
;W[qh]
;B[pi]
;W[rg]
(;B[sl]C[foucaultee: why i cant watch the stram?
NschoTschi [-\]: you can sleep when youre dead
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: it is not related
Orandajinn [2k\]: sleep is the cousin of death
foucaultee: stream
])
(;B[rj]C[sorineu [2k?\]: in sibiu is 12:17
]
;W[sh]
;B[qk]
;W[rk]
;B[pj]
;W[sj]
;B[rl]
;W[qj]C[kahin [4k\]: 12:18 here
NschoTschi [-\]: big ko
NschoTschi [-\]: and fast playd
foucaultee: is eurogotv stream working?
nandaka [5d\]: W is lost anyway. so a ko is good for W even though it looks bad.
Besarionis [17k\]: is for me
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: live TV broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live ... =EuroGoTV1
foucaultee: i tried but not working
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: h 16 is large
]
;B[gd]
;W[fd]C[kahin [4k\]: huge ko
rkda [7k\]: yes the stream is working fne
]
;B[rj]C[csgo [?\]: k4
]
;W[fl]
;B[gl]
;W[qj]C[foucaultee: maybe firefox cannot open
NschoTschi [-\]: my firefox can!
Javaness [2d\]: is Harry there?
LengJai [7k\]: no i've got it open in firefox
Besarionis [17k\]: mine as well
]
;B[hp]C[egogo [5k\]: how much time do they get to play
progo [4k\]: hi
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: 1 hour
egogo [5k\]: thanx
LengJai [7k\]: absolute?
]
;W[io]C[EuroGoTV1 [-\]: yes
Georg [1d\]: wrong threat?
]
;B[rj]C[Sandmann [-\]: b is winning
kahin [4k\]: b16?
]
;W[eo]C[leger [1d\]: black should eat
leger [1d\]: t9
NschoTschi [-\]: sandmann y dont you take part in this tourney?
leger [1d\]: bigger
]
;B[go]
;W[qj]C[GocchiSama [4d?\]: no he should answer
Sandmann [-\]: too old
]
;B[hn]
;W[in]C[Haven [?\]: why is this playing at five in the morning xD
GocchiSama [4d?\]: because he has a lot of ko threat
]
;B[rj]
;W[fn]C[NschoTschi [-\]: I thought you are the actual youth champ in Austria
Javaness [2d\]: in Europe they have different time zones
thuctinh [2d\]: t9
thuctinh [2d\]: all die
]
;B[gn]C[progo [4k\]: g6
]
;W[qj]C[Javaness [2d\]: Romania is GMT+2 I guess
tudiloo [4k\]: he is the actual champion of austria
progo [4k\]: b is winning
tomangel [3k\]: J 4
]
;B[jp]
;W[ip]C[dfdbda: g6 mistake
]
;B[rj]C[Sandmann [-\]: only until the next austrian open
Haven [?\]: oh cool its a youth championship
tomangel [3k\]: no mistake
dfdbda: g6 too small
Besarionis [17k\]: this game has been mad
dfdbda: right much bigger
NschoTschi [-\]: Javaness in AMerica and Asia they have different timezones
NschoTschi [-\]: as well
progo [4k\]: NONASENCES
Haven [?\]: lol
realDeal [11k\]: live feed?
progo [4k\]:
kahin [4k\]: b14
progo [4k\]: what\]
mold [2k?\]: eat e8
foucaultee: vanessa lost
]
;W[ek]C[Javaness [2d\]: it wasn't a european asking though NschoTschi
]
;B[hq]C[NschoTschi [-\]:
]
;W[qj]C[LengJai [7k\]: ??? why was that a threat
FraTeoX [3k\]: d2
progo [4k\]: iiepe
thuctinh [2d\]: k1
csgo [?\]: l2
progo [4k\]: 안녕
Sandmann [-\]: n1!
mold [2k?\]: b run out of threats
dfdbda: g6 big mistake
mold [2k?\]: soon
progo [4k\]: 난한국인
absinthe [3k?\]: coz g2
]
;B[ms]C[progo [4k\]: ㅋㅋ
mold [2k?\]: l2
Sandmann [-\]: i won!
kahin [4k\]: k1
]
;W[kr]
;B[rj]C[tomangel [3k\]: ??????
]
;W[gr]C[Besarionis [17k\]: ?
]
;B[hs]C[Besarionis [17k\]: ah
csgo [?\]: should ignore
]
;W[qj]
;B[is]
;W[js]C[progo [4k\]: 더
]
;B[rj]C[weirdchess [4k\]: black threatened j1 after n1
progo [4k\]: 많
progo [4k\]: 이
progo [4k\]: 할
mold [2k?\]: f11
NschoTschi [-\]: h12
squeeze [1k\]: h11
progo [4k\]: bye-bye
nsysu [3d\]: b15
suechan [5d\]: f11 b will ignore
Hitagi [2d\]: that's already seki?
mold [2k?\]: where is other eye
absinthe [3k?\]: h11
suechan [5d\]: d2 and d1 b will alive
NschoTschi [-\]: f11 doesnt threat to kill?
FairyTale [4d\]: f11 is not threat
thuctinh [2d\]: b15
NschoTschi [-\]: tx
mold [2k?\]: d2 d1 lets seki
mold [2k?\]: i see
mold [2k?\]: d2 then
mold [2k?\]: no
Hitagi [2d\]: not sente
mold [2k?\]: dang
mold [2k?\]: only upper left
]
;W[hi]C[mold [2k?\]: argh
suechan [5d\]: over!
Hitagi [2d\]: depends on the answer
]
;B[hh]
;W[qj]C[NschoTschi [-\]: good threat
nsysu [3d\]: why over
mold [2k?\]: cause d2 let b live
csgo [?\]: should ignore
leger [1d\]: this was fake threat
iLMM [-\]: come on
iLMM [-\]: h11 was killing
mold [2k?\]: didnt see that
NschoTschi [-\]: j11 connects w stone still out
NschoTschi [-\]: no
DerWitt [1d\]: d3 big
csgo [?\]: w h11, b has d3
thuctinh [2d\]: c3
mold [2k?\]: wait
mold [2k?\]: no.. d2 would have died
nandaka [5d\]: But B could play c3 d3 d2 in sente. Then B alive in sente
]
;B[cq]C[FairyTale [4d\]: sacrifice an arm and ignore
squeeze [1k\]: ignore
Besarionis [17k\]: how exciting
mold [2k?\]: good chance for w
tomangel [3k\]: ignore and lose
Sandmann [-\]: w is losing
mold [2k?\]: free moves
tomangel [3k\]: yes
nandaka [5d\]: what is better? Sacrifice arm or leg or other body parts?
mold [2k?\]: its huge but there are moves to make
DerWitt [1d\]: prob too big to ignore
NschoTschi [-\]: Sandmann can w play another ko in ul?
squeeze [1k\]: don't ignore and lose too
]
;W[pk]C[FairyTale [4d\]: hehe
FairyTale [4d\]: i think it's bad ignore, but w/e
mold [2k?\]: i think it was bigger to ignore by playing s7
DerWitt [1d\]: w still has some threats
mold [2k?\]: because then get hane at s5 in sente
]
;B[br]C[csgo [?\]: if b lose, b lose on h12
]
;W[cp]C[Javaness [2d\]: no threat big enough
]
;B[bq]C[suechan [5d\]: gote
squeeze [1k\]: s15 ?
suechan [5d\]: very bad
suechan [5d\]: haha
nandaka [5d\]: yes, mold. I underastand but not true - W thick in center now
mold [2k?\]: ok
]
;W[ic]
;B[jd]C[Hitagi [2d\]: ugly
FairyTale [4d\]: r17 working?
NschoTschi [-\]: yes
NschoTschi [-\]: r17 always works
]
;W[jb]C[FairyTale [4d\]: it's law
mold [2k?\]: black s15 is big
Sandmann [-\]: not if b plays s15 now
]
;B[re]C[tudiloo [4k\]: ^^
NschoTschi [-\]: ko in ul?
GocchiSama [4d?\]: mmmh,s15 too big
Javaness [2d\]: zomg black s15
FairyTale [4d\]: m18
iLMM [-\]: but now o17
squeeze [1k\]: m18 ?
LengJai [7k\]: res
kahin [4k\]: m18
Besarionis [17k\]: is n18 too far?
]
;W[be]C[realDeal [11k\]: these guys are already stronger then any of us ever will, thats just not fair
ibd [7k?\]: ko?
]
;B[bd]C[Javaness [2d\]: zomg white kill all
Grandhill [8k\]: 4 corners for black
kahin [4k\]: a18
yakotaki [-\]: ko ?
sorineu [2k?\]: and another winning ko for w?
thuctinh [2d\]: a13
pasky [1d?\]: realDeal: it's true that with such attitude, you probably never will be so strong, but who is "us"?
Isobeutel [5k\]: man, what a noise is there... people talking and yelling... if i have to play there i wouldn´t be able to concentrate a bit
igravious [10k\]: w L12, if no reponse g12 group dead
leger [1d\]: realDeal, "any of us", hum, nope, you're wrong, several players in this room could compete versus them
FairyTale [4d\]: don't include me in your statement realDeal, they can't give me 2h.
]
;W[ab]C[Tokyo [5d\]: a13
]
;B[aa]C[Besarionis [17k\]: hotness
]
;W[dq]C[mold [2k?\]: i see
realDeal [11k\]: how do you know FairyTale?
Tokyo [5d\]: kinda bad ko for w
leger [1d\]: 5d and 4d in this tournament, what is equivalent to kgs ranks ?
Tokyo [5d\]: a13 was better
mold [2k?\]: w moves up to k18 allow w to participate in this ko
FairyTale [4d\]: the way they play, and rank is factor
realDeal [11k\]: 6 -7 d lager
squeeze [1k\]: ignore
realDeal [11k\]: at least
]
;B[dr]C[Dexihno [13k\]: who is winning now please ?
]
;W[ab]C[oonicks [-\]: nice to see,
foucaultee: 4d = 9d kgs
reprisal [2d\]: yeah they are only 4-5d, that is not scary
nsysu [3d\]: this game like 2d game :/
pasky [1d?\]: leger: black is Lukan on KGS
oonicks [-\]: thx a;ready egtv
FairyTale [4d\]: Gu Li can give both 3h in simul, no prob.
kahin [4k\]: w lost a1 corner by ko.. now.. want to that corner by ko ^^
leger [1d\]: they don't look like 6d kgs level at all, realDeal
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: ^^
]
;B[bf]C[foucaultee: what is vanessa's name on kgs?
ww [?\]: is there a video feed from the game room
]
;W[bc]
;B[ce]C[realDeal [11k\]:
steles [-\]: both very strong
]
;W[ad]
;B[ae]C[nandaka [5d\]: I bet Gu Li can give 5 stone in simul
leger [1d\]: ok, so Lukas is Lukan 4d
reprisal [2d\]: maybe 6
foucaultee: not very strong omg
]
;W[lb]C[zbass [13k\]: how old are these guys?
mold [2k?\]: w made a nice gain
nandaka [5d\]: maybe 6
]
;B[mc]C[foucaultee: go to tygem and watch strong kids hehe
reprisal [2d\]: KGS 4d is nothing special at all
Hitagi [2d\]: we have kghin
]
;W[nk]C[mold [2k?\]: bigger than s15
tudiloo [4k\]: "we"
daladim [1d\]: and zchen !
ibd [7k?\]: and artem
mold [2k?\]: ok lets see how the thickness in center is working
realDeal [11k\]: aparently he is not playing serious enough with this account, lager
NschoTschi [-\]: artem 18
FairyTale [4d\]: who plays serious on KGS? lolol
kahin [4k\]: and n8
jersta [7k\]: and me
foucaultee: dont troll real deal troll
jersta [7k\]: oh i forgot i'm 27 xD
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: i think black loses due komi
]
;B[nj]C[xDragon [8k?\]: according to b's profile he turned 15 last month
realDeal [11k\]: your mum is trolling you!
kahin [4k\]: or n9
LengJai [7k\]: go vanessa!
pasky [1d?\]: in dan ranks, the correspondence EGR-KGS is non-obvious since the spreads are different
NschoTschi [-\]: so who is leading now?
pasky [1d?\]: but they don't tend to be too different
]
;W[jh]C[nandaka [5d\]: You, FairyTale? If people lose they always say they play better if they play seriously.
]
;B[ii]C[EuroGoTV1 [-\]: white wis by komi
GocchiSama [4d?\]: high ranking in egf is almost th same as KGS
Javaness [2d\]: heh stop counting the game
]
;W[ml]C[daladim [1d\]: is that official result eurogo ?
daladim [1d\]: nvm
oonicks [-\]:
]
;B[mk]C[FairyTale [4d\]: no, if I lose i just lose...can be for many other reasons, like headache, or an earthquake.
]
;W[nl]C[pasky [1d?\]: javaness, you need to write that in bold
nandaka [5d\]: n8 is good - reduce around q14 later
kahin [4k\]: m8
Bembelbote [-\]: since the game is still going it HAS to be the official result
]
;B[og]C[pasky [1d?\]: fairytale, did you ever lose a game because of an earthquake?
Caribe [6k\]: lol pasky
squeeze [1k\]: good one
nandaka [5d\]: Or maybe because not so strong, FairyTail?
]
;W[pf]C[Caribe [6k\]: Is everybody being good?
FairyTale [4d\]: well, i was playing a game when an earthquake was happening
]
;B[of]
;W[pe]C[xDragon [8k?\]: how about via atomic bomb?
Javaness [2d\]: I saw Csaba Mero a few moves back
FairyTale [4d\]: and i did lose that game, therefore the earthquake caused me to lose.
pasky [1d?\]: yay
]
;B[pg]
;W[qf]C[xDragon [8k?\]: cornel said he was going to be there also
pasky [1d?\]: correlation is causation ^^
kahin [4k\]: really good game !
nandaka [5d\]: But yesterday big earthquake in Tainan in Taiwan - my train stopped
squeeze [1k\]: hardly
GocchiSama [4d?\]: white is behind
Orandajinn [2k\]: i am loco
FairyTale [4d\]: statisticians in this kibitz are all facepalming.
Javaness [2d\]: what ruleset do they use? Ing?
Bembelbote [-\]: i once lost when i had to use the bathroom, so my bladder must've been the reason i lost...
pasky [1d?\]: i think they have too thick skin for that
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: ing
thuctinh [2d\]: n18
kahin [4k\]: p16
Besarionis [17k\]: you could have wetted yourself bembelbote
FairyTale [4d\]: that's hardcore.
steles [-\]: I heard ing clock with Guo Juan's voice
feature [-\]: bembi ^^
Besarionis [17k\]: you were not being serious enough
]
;B[bo]C[Bembelbote [-\]: fortunately i didnt
]
;W[bn]C[Bembelbote [-\]: chrissi =)
]
;B[lg]C[mold [2k?\]: is q18 working?
Javaness [2d\]: haha Ing Clock is squeakier than Guo Juan
]
;W[li]C[ibd [7k?\]: h16?
]
;B[ro]C[FairyTale [4d\]: both sides have small territory...but seems w is winning by little?
foucaultee: big
kahin [4k\]: black play yose...
thuctinh [2d\]: p19
Sandmann [-\]: http://picasaweb.google.com/viktor92lin ... 4105996818
]
;W[lk]C[kill2010 [2k\]: white have 9 ponnuki
]
;B[ll]C[Javaness [2d\]: Vanessa Wong is the only UK player
xDragon [8k?\]: thats 270 points
xDragon [8k?\]: b should resign
]
;W[oe]C[feature [-\]: lol viktor ^^
pasky [1d?\]: javaness, you are not UK player?
kill2010 [2k\]: xD
marfg [3k\]: b is winning
FairyTale [4d\]: i think javaness is irish.
xDragon [8k?\]: hes green
pasky [1d?\]: but in UK?
]
;B[pd]C[Etherion [2k\]: n18?
pasky [1d?\]: i mean UK part of ireland
Javaness [2d\]: I am also a UK player
mold [2k?\]: q16 correct
Javaness [2d\]: yes Ireland owns the UK
kahin [4k\]: p16 bigger than b5
feature [-\]: lol
Haven [?\]: javaness is irish?
steles [-\]: hihi
xDragon [8k?\]: i think he meant only uk player at that tourney?
xDragon [8k?\]: yes haven hes irish champ i think
goshko [6k\]: ban for talking politics!
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: n18 big
sheeryjay [3k?\]: Viktor .. that was ... scary O_O
xDragon [8k?\]: or he was
Sandmann [-\]: ^^
tudiloo [4k\]: who died in that video?
Haven [?\]: that explains why hes so awesome
]
;W[ne]C[feature [-\]: im sure ing clocks are produced by cyberdyne
]
;B[lj]C[Sandmann [-\]: the tue side of ing clocks
Bembelbote [-\]: sounds kinda like a scratching ing-clock
Orandajinn [2k\]: irish chap
]
;W[nf]C[pasky [1d?\]: sandmann: O_O
thuctinh [2d\]: n18 now
tomason [1k\]: N18
]
;B[le]
;W[nb]C[thuctinh [2d\]: o18
Etherion [2k\]: ^^
Dexihno [13k\]: :/
pasky [1d?\]:
Etherion [2k\]: why not monkey?
FairyTale [4d\]: :d
]
;B[nc]
;W[mb]
;B[ob]C[mold [2k?\]: this is bigger than monkey
Etherion [2k\]: ok, this seems bigger
]
;W[bp]C[tudiloo [4k\]: look at the result, this is bigger
]
;B[ap]
;W[co]C[Sandmann [-\]: b is still leading by enough
Orandajinn [2k\]: TOP RIGHT IS DEAD
FairyTale [4d\]: wat
]
;B[na]C[mold [2k?\]: s16 is dead. thats what you mean
Hitagi [2d\]: s16 killed
mordakun [4k\]: xD
Orandajinn [2k\]: black fixed it
Orandajinn [2k\]: alive now
Maure [3d\]: lol
Maure [3d\]: sure
pasky [1d?\]: no sorry
pasky [1d?\]: s16 is still dead
]
;W[mm]C[foucaultee: h16
]
;B[lm]C[Javaness [2d\]: oh there are 3 sections this year?
Goemon [?\]: p19 was waaay bigger than b6
]
;W[rn]C[Orandajinn [2k\]: omg
]
;B[hd]
;W[hc]C[Highlander [5d\]: b ahead
FairyTale [4d\]: by how much?
Maure [3d\]: i know!
tudiloo [4k\]: 1 million
Etherion [2k\]: 4-5 points imho
pasky [1d?\]: it looks kinda even
]
;B[kb]C[mold [2k?\]: w position built out of ponnukis
tudiloo [4k\]: komi
Sandmann [-\]: b must not slack off in yose
]
;W[kc]
;B[jc]
;W[ka]
;B[lc]
;W[kb]
;B[gc]
;W[gb]C[mold [2k?\]: what was nice yose
fan [-\]: @Java it seems strange cos as i remeber there was a change from U18 to U16
]
;B[nn]C[mold [2k?\]: that was
Maure [3d\]: not really
]
;W[ma]
;B[oa]
;W[pp]
;B[qq]C[fan [-\]: and there should be no U18 group
mold [2k?\]: with n19
Orandajinn [2k\]: i count w+76.5
]
;W[np]C[pleomax: hehe
mold [2k?\]: timing was wrong i guess
pasky [1d?\]: i count it totally even
]
;B[no]C[Javaness [2d\]: the world championships are U16 and U12 now
]
;W[oq]
;B[or]
;W[op]C[IlanKeshet [6k\]: pasky u cant count then
FairyTale [4d\]: i didnt count, but im just going to assume w + 1.5
monk316 [?\]: w+1
IlanKeshet [6k\]: pasky forgot about komi
]
;B[om]C[pasky [1d?\]: ilankeshet: i didn't
LengJai [7k\]: W+awesome
GocchiSama [4d?\]: black is leading of course
Javaness [2d\]: have there been any time penalties?
Orandajinn [2k\]: i think white wins
mold [2k?\]: what are time penalties?
]
;W[rf]
;B[sf]C[Etherion [2k\]: ing rules stuff
Javaness [2d\]: if it is Ing Rules I assume 2 point fine if you pass 1 hour
]
;W[ao]
;B[pm]C[FairyTale [4d\]: do they also do time bank?
mold [2k?\]: oh ok
]
;W[pl]
;B[sn]
;W[sm]C[GocchiSama [4d?\]: nice yose
]
;B[so]C[Dexihno [13k\]: nice
]
;W[qm]C[GocchiSama [4d?\]: it's over
oonicks [-\]: i think w ahead, 3 points or so, for a while
]
;B[aq]C[Javaness [2d\]: yose is always nice
]
;W[fi]
;B[gi]C[Javaness [2d\]: c9
]
;W[ck]C[kahin [4k\]: m14
Hitagi [2d\]: a17
saimic [2k\]: verry close
Sandmann [-\]: jigo! b wins!
]
;B[ac]
;W[cs]
;B[bs]
;W[ad]
;B[nh]
;W[ng]C[NschoTschi [-\]: m14 !
]
;B[mg]
;W[oh]C[Sandmann [-\]: oh noes
Goemon [?\]: w =3.5
]
;B[ph]C[Javaness [2d\]: ai ai ai
]
;W[ni]C[Hitagi [2d\]: ??
oddalot [6k\]: ?????
mold [2k?\]: that was not really good
Sandmann [-\]: that was a vital stone
oddalot [6k\]: wth was that
Javaness [2d\]: loss
]
;B[ac]C[marfg [3k\]: noo
Orandajinn [2k\]: was ko threat
]
;W[me]
;B[lf]
;W[ad]C[Miyabiyama [-\]: groups all alive everywhere...
]
;B[kg]
;W[jf]C[NschoTschi [-\]: w wins !!!
]
;B[ac]C[mold [2k?\]: it was a mistake orand
Miyabiyama [-\]: nothing vital anymore
pasky [1d?\]: b+4
minimoy [11k\]: A2?
]
;W[ar]
;B[ds]
;W[ad]C[Sandmann [-\]: globally vital
pasky [1d?\]: oh wait
Orandajinn [2k\]: w+ schwan und heb
]
;B[fk]C[minimoy [11k\]: F9?
]
;W[el]C[pasky [1d?\]: i didn't notice the o12 stuff
]
;B[ac]C[Goemon [?\]: w +3.5
monk316 [?\]: n6
squeeze [1k\]: o7
pasky [1d?\]: then probably not b+4;)
Dexihno [13k\]: j8
minimoy [11k\]: T13?
mold [2k?\]: t13
]
;W[bb]C[mold [2k?\]: yes
]
;B[ag]C[saimic [2k\]: w wins.
]
;W[ah]C[NschoTschi [-\]: r13
mold [2k?\]: t13 would have been a ko threat
]
;B[hf]
;W[gf]
;B[fo]
;W[en]C[mold [2k?\]: threaten s17 and r18
GocchiSama [4d?\]: komi for white?
]
;B[hm]
;W[il]C[Goemon [?\]: 6.5
]
;B[mi]C[mold [2k?\]: but b still had ko threats
Sandmann [-\]: 7.999
DanielTom [4d\]: Vanessa wins
]
;W[lh]C[mold [2k?\]: so. b would win ko anyway
]
(;B[dg]C[minimoy [11k\]: R13?
Javaness [2d\]: girl power
NschoTschi [-\]: R13!
FairyTale [4d\]: my assumption may turn out right
pleomax: 6,5? not 7,5?
pasky [1d?\]: r13 (
leger [1d\]: s17
])
(;B[qg]
;W[rh]C[pasky [1d?\]: eh
]
;B[dg]C[pleomax: Ing rules?
mold [2k?\]: what?
langit7 [3k?\]: w 69.5 b 68
pasky [1d?\]: maybe transmission not perfect
mold [2k?\]: ok
pasky [1d?\]: it's hard at the yose end
minimoy [11k\]: A16
NschoTschi [-\]: w by 2.5?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: too fast fot this old man^^
Fishtank [4k\]: w+0.5
ww [?\]: p16
FairyTale [4d\]: it's fine, as long as we hear the results
saimic [2k\]: w+2.5
mold [2k?\]: there is a ko left
Hitagi [2d\]: thinking about ur corner maybe
Sandmann [-\]: the neutral points will decide the game
saimic [2k\]: if w wins the left side ko, w+3.5
FairyTale [4d\]: ing counting is annoying
FairyTale [4d\]: ing bowls too
saimic [2k\]: oh, its ing?
FairyTale [4d\]: and clocks
DanielTom [4d\]: I say W+2.5
Dexihno [13k\]:
v0idi [22k?\]: Ugh, the speaking Ing clocks.
eloh [2d\]: p16 ? (just join)
mordakun [4k\]: A16?
Javaness [2d\]: I wrapped up an Ing Box in shiny paper today
pasky [1d?\]: old ing clocks are the best!
Javaness [2d\]: special prize for tournament
pasky [1d?\]: what is an ing box?
NschoTschi [-\]: Will there be another game today?
FairyTale [4d\]: bright red clocks with bright yellow boards with pasty white octagon bowls...blah
]
;W[ad]C[badaji1 [3k\]: p16
Javaness [2d\]: the box for the stones
eloh [2d\]: P16 yes
Javaness [2d\]: what do you call it?
]
;B[od]C[gawelazo [6k\]: t8
badaji1 [3k\]: ahhh
mold [2k?\]: goke
Besarionis [17k\]: that little kid is back
]
;W[sg]
;B[se]C[saimic [2k\]: eurogo, what did mihai serban in the last game? do you know
saimic [2k\]: ?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: i dont know
NschoTschi [-\]: Euro, another game today?
GocchiSama [4d?\]: O2 one point for white
]
;W[ac]
(;B[rc]
;W[qb]C[Javaness [2d\]: indeed
]
;B[pr]C[Javaness [2d\]: what...
mold [2k?\]: ?
fan [-\]: any other results, euro?
])
(;B[pr]
;W[rc]
;B[qb]C[nsysu [3d\]: why difference
]
;W[eq]
;B[fp]C[EdhelDil [3k\]: s8 has to be captured
]
;W[sk]
;B[sl]
;W[rm]C[Goemon [?\]: ??
steles [-\]: ??
DanielTom [4d\]: misclick
]
;B[ep]
;W[dd]C[Javaness [2d\]: area counting
]
;B[jl]C[mold [2k?\]: ok
]
;W[ji]
;B[kh]C[Sandmann [-\]: eurogotv getting overflowed
]
;W[nh]C[mold [2k?\]: area counting it does not matter play in own territory
]
;B[oi]
;W[nd]
;B[md]
;W[ok]C[lacer [3d?\]: komi?
]
;B[ol]
;W[nm]
;B[on]
;W[mn]
;B[mo]C[Sandmann [-\]: hm s18?
]
;W[oo]C[xDragon [8k?\]: go harry
dongdong [2k?\]: what?!
]
;B[ls]C[NschoTschi [-\]: m9
Javaness [2d\]: hehe atari
Goemon [?\]: m9?
Goemon [?\]: hehe
langit7 [3k?\]: m9?
]
;W[if]C[Javaness [2d\]: m9 m9
mooooo [10k\]: m9 lol
]
;B[lk]C[mold [2k?\]: just counting phase
dutch2dan [1d\]: b in atari now
EdhelDil [3k\]: lol
langit7 [3k?\]: ic
GenVital [2k\]: lol
chai [14k\]: lol
dutch2dan [1d\]: not any more
langit7 [3k?\]: lol
Rawrie [2k\]: f15
Rawrie [2k\]: aww no
Rawrie [2k\]: =/
egongo [8k\]: se w +2,5
Goemon [?\]: w +3.5
Javaness [2d\]: white +3.5?
NschoTschi [-\]: 4d didnt see this artari?
Sandmann [-\]: there is no .5!!
mold [2k?\]: its counting phase nscho
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: W+5
NschoTschi [-\]: how much komi?
Goemon [?\]: ah
tomason [1k\]: this was a scribe error surely
GocchiSama [4d?\]: 5 or 0.5?
v0idi [22k?\]: Most likely they just played it fast and the person making the kifu didn't notice that
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: 5
Javaness [2d\]: thank you eurogotv!
DanielTom [4d\]: thanks
FairyTale [4d\]: nice
GocchiSama [4d?\]: ing game so
Goemon [?\]: so komi is 7 ?
Hitagi [2d\]: thanks
mordakun [4k\]: thank you
dutch2dan [1d\]: thx for relaying Euro
jersta [7k\]: thx euro
tomason [1k\]: there were some time penalty?
NschoTschi [-\]: thx
egongo [8k\]: thx
Pinchilei [1k?\]: What's the komi (rules says 6.5)
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: no time penelties
JMW64 [11k\]: thx
NschoTschi [-\]: Another game today?
tomason [1k\]: thx
gawelazo [6k\]: who won?
Goemon [?\]: if komi is 6.5 what happened to .5
Besarionis [17k\]: score?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: next game in 2 hours from now
mold [2k?\]: komi is 8 points right?
NschoTschi [-\]: thx Euro
Warlord [2k?\]: thx
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: yes, 8 komi
Besarionis [17k\]: ah w+5
Goemon [?\]: woah
mold [2k?\]: no difference
mold [2k?\]: jigo b wins
chai [14k\]: or is it w +2.5 ?
chai [14k\]: look in a clone
mold [2k?\]: tengen add 1 point to komi
mold [2k?\]: same as 6.5
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: thx for watching , cu in 2 hours
tempy [?\]: Thanks.
chai [14k\]: we thank you
minimoy [11k\]: who win?
bubo [4k\]: W+5
bubo [4k\]: EuroGoTV1 [-\]: W+5
])))))

[ngarry]

(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[NZ]SZ[19]KM[8.00]TM[3600]OT[1x10 byo-yomi]
GN[European Youth Championship 2010 under 16 board 1 round 5]PW[Jurij Mykhaljuk]PB[Vanessa Wong]WR[2d]BR[4d]DT[2010-03-07]EV[European Youth Championship 2010 under 16 board 1 round 5]RO[5]PC[Sibiu, Romania]US[HW9x9]
;B[dd]
;W[pc]
;B[cp]
;W[pq]
;B[eq]
;W[cj]
;B[cg]
;W[cm]LB[pe:A][qf:B]
;B[jc]
;W[qo]
;B[qe]
;W[ph]
;B[mc]
;W[pe]
;B[jq]
;W[lq]
;B[dl]
;W[cl]
;B[dj]
;W[dk]
;B[ek]
;W[ck]
;B[pd]
;W[qd]
;B[od]
;W[qf]C[Defensor [5k\]: Отлично.
]
;B[qc]
;W[re]
;B[rc]
;W[cc]
;B[dc]
;W[cd]
;B[ce]
;W[be]
;B[bf]
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;B[fc]
;W[ad]
;B[di]
;W[el]
;B[fk]
;W[em]
;B[pr]
;W[qq]
;B[jf]
;W[jh]C[Defensor [5k\]: А где все?
]
;B[lg]C[masek [?\]: спят все
Defensor [5k\]: Хоть кто-то пришёл! Вроде десять минут всего прошло, а уже 50 ходов. Раньше начали?
ngarry [-\]: думаю да
]
;W[mf]C[ngarry [-\]: хотя, дети
ngarry [-\]: играют быстро
Defensor [5k\]: Тогда пойду на начало отмотяю гляну как начали.
wasd [6d\]: красиво
]
;B[mg]C[Defensor [5k\]: У каждого по мойо и должно быть скоро рубиться начнут.
wasd [6d\]: o16
masek [?\]: да уж
Derian [19k?\]: писали вроде что Сидоренко отказался дальше играть
masek [?\]: играет чет не против европейцев
]
;W[oc]
;B[nc]C[masek [?\]: а от чего он отказался?
Derian [19k?\]: ну дальше играть в этом турнире как я понял.. причин не сказали
ngarry [-\]: ничего себе?
ngarry [-\]: долго плакал?
ngarry [-\]: на Кидо ничего не пишут?
]
;W[nb]C[wasd [6d\]: белый щас посыпится
Derian [19k?\]: это написал EuroGoTV
Defensor [5k\]: А Сидоренко - это не тот, который вчера угол "просмотрел"?
ngarry [-\]: Sidorenko otkazalsya dalshe igrat, tak kak "1-oe mesto poterjal, a vse ostalnoe (2,3 mesto + putevka v Kitai) ne interesno". Partii sami po sebe tozhe ne interesni. Orgkomitet predupredili za 1 chas do nachala 5 tura. Ugrozi postavit proigrish za 5 i 6 turi i zapret uchastvovat v drugih evro championatah ne povliyali.
AlexeyD [7k\]: здравствуйте
ngarry [-\]: с Кидо
Obhans [3k\]: привет Алексей
ngarry [-\]: нда ...у мамы видимо с головой не все в порядке
]
;B[qb]C[AlexeyD [7k\]: почему 2d белыми?
ngarry [-\]: за такое - вычеркнуть из рейтинга европрейского
Defensor [5k\]: Разве поездка в китай и 2 и 3 места - это так плохо?!!
ngarry [-\]: потому что это - первенство
ngarry [-\]: 2и 3 еще надо занять
ngarry [-\]: но довод - партии не интересные - забавен, с учетом того, что он проиграл
wasd [6d\]: вкунавер сплошной
Defensor [5k\]: p15 - за былых - хотя бы.
]
;W[nd]
;B[oe]C[wasd [6d\]: p14
Defensor [5k\]: Хорошо там получиться проползти. С угрозой что-нибудь порезать в l13
wasd [6d\]: угрозы не будет затем б хорошо m5
]
;W[ob]C[wasd [6d\]: че он делает?
ngarry [-\]: нда
ngarry [-\]: жадность многих сгубила
Defensor [5k\]: p14 o14 m15 - чем белому эти ходы не понравились?
]
;B[ne]C[Defensor [5k\]: Мы отсюда наверное чего-то не видим.
wasd [6d\]: со стороны всегда проще
Defensor [5k\]: Я офлайн посмотрел и у меня так красиво получилось продавить чёрных до m17 ))
]
;W[lc]C[wasd [6d\]: жадность черного таки погубила
Defensor [5k\]: Какие варианты?
]
;B[md]
;W[mb]
;B[kb]
;W[ld]C[ngarry [-\]: угол отвалился
]
;B[me]C[Defensor [5k\]: А на сцене играют первые доски - тех, кого снимают?
]
;W[lb]
;B[lp]C[Defensor [5k\]: Все кому было что сказать уехали на Колыму.
ngarry [-\]: я видео не смотрю
Defensor [5k\]: А по партии?
ngarry [-\]: по этой?
Defensor [5k\]: Да.
ngarry [-\]: ну ...Б обманули черных
ngarry [-\]: сверху справа
]
;W[le]
;B[lf]
;W[mq]C[ngarry [-\]: если Б закроют правую сторону
ngarry [-\]: то видимо будет поболее
ngarry [-\]: но ...йосэ более сильных игрок должен выиграть
]
;B[mp]C[Defensor [5k\]: Значит чёрный победит. Понятно.
ngarry [-\]: поэтому, скорее всего Ч поглотят k12 или вытопчут правую сторону
ngarry [-\]: думаю да
ngarry [-\]: по крайней мере сейчас
ngarry [-\]: ход Ч в районе n10 o10 o9 n9 будет огромным
ngarry [-\]: правда надо следить зза n14
Defensor [5k\]: Это сечас внизу чёрный готовит почву для убийства k12 ?
ngarry [-\]: думаю да
ngarry [-\]: либо для втьоржения на правую сторону
]
;W[np]
;B[no]C[Defensor [5k\]: Ну если n14 вытянется, тогда черный p14 p13 p12 p11 - и пошёл поехал.
]
;W[op]C[ngarry [-\]: k15 k16
ngarry [-\]: есть еще ядзи
ngarry [-\]: адзи*
]
;B[oj]C[tort [9k\]: усиливает контроль на центр ч
ngarry [-\]: ну да
ngarry [-\]: ставит перед выбором
ngarry [-\]: тянуть k12 или защищать сторону
ngarry [-\]: можно конечно пробовать отрезать m4 n4
Defensor [5k\]: Чёрный может при случает отдать o16 или никак нельзя?
tort [9k\]: б придётся рисковать
ngarry [-\]: много
ngarry [-\]: хотя ...
]
;W[ni]C[ngarry [-\]: цена вопроса 20-25 очков
]
;B[pf]C[ngarry [-\]: p14 !
ngarry [-\]: не прогибаться
]
;W[qe]C[Defensor [5k\]: Всё.
ngarry [-\]: готэ
]
;B[nj]C[masek [?\]: до пыгался Юрко
masek [?\]: прыгался
masek [?\]: мм а угол то дохлы
Defensor [5k\]: Так это и есть брат-славянини? Он откуда?
masek [?\]: дохлый
masek [?\]: из Рiвно
masek [?\]: из того же города что и Артем Качановский
]
;W[ng]C[Defensor [5k\]: Ну он ещё молодой, всё впереди.
Defensor [5k\]: Года на три-четыре младше соперника.
]
;B[mi]C[ngarry [-\]: слабое утежение
ngarry [-\]: утешение*
Defensor [5k\]: Похоже чёрный решил отдать o16
]
;W[nf]C[Defensor [5k\]: Открыл онлайн видео. Смотрю за столом ни одного игрока. ))
]
;B[nh]
;W[oh]
;B[oi]
;W[pg]
;B[gm]C[DEMBEL [2d?\]: может 8 данов посмотрим?
ngarry [-\]: см. объяву в РК
ngarry [-\]: через 1 час Динерштейн будет разбирать прартию Санки-Матвеев
ngarry [-\]: партию*
]
;W[nm]C[DEMBEL [2d?\]: ух ты!!
DEMBEL [2d?\]: на равных?
]
;B[lm]
;W[kp]C[ngarry [-\]: да
ngarry [-\]: кубок клуба Плейс
ngarry [-\]: грамотно черный
ngarry [-\]: отдался
DEMBEL [2d?\]: ставлю на Санкина с выигрышем 8-12 очей
ngarry [-\]: ну не знаю
ngarry [-\]: он последне время не играет
ngarry [-\]: так что может и проиграть
DEMBEL [2d?\]: может.. но все таки мастерство не пропьешь..
]
;B[ko]C[ngarry [-\]: да как сказать
ngarry [-\]: примеров в Го - масса
DEMBEL [2d?\]: может конечно , как обычно, пуститься во все тяжкие и что-то не досчитать..
]
;W[lo]
;B[mo]
;W[jo]
;B[kn]
;W[jp]
;B[kq]C[DEMBEL [2d?\]: У Тимура все партии "веселые", такое ощущение, что спокойно играть он не умеет..
]
;W[iq]
;B[ir]
;W[hq]
;B[hr]
;W[gq]
;B[gr]
;W[lr]
;B[js]
;W[jn]
;B[jm]
;W[im]LB[il:A]C[ngarry [-\]: j8
]
;B[il]
;W[jl]
;B[km]
;W[hl]C[Defensor [5k\]: Думает не бросить ли центр.
]
;B[hm]
;W[ik]
;B[in]
;W[hn]
;B[il]
;W[kr]
;B[jr]
;W[im]
;B[io]
;W[gl]C[Defensor [5k\]: ?
]
;B[fl]C[Defensor [5k\]: Сможет выжить в центре
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;W[lk]
;B[ml]
;W[il]
;B[fm]
;W[mk]
;B[nl]C[ngarry [-\]: во все тяжкие
]
;W[hh]LB[jj:A][kj:B]C[ngarry [-\]: видимо надо убивать
ngarry [-\]: либо считать
]
;B[ki]LB[ie:A]C[ngarry [-\]: теперь сверху можно шантажировать
wasd [6d\]: надо убивать
wasd [6d\]: но это нетак просто
ngarry [-\]: во-во
wasd [6d\]: для начала проверочкуo9
ngarry [-\]: фолрма уж больно живучая
]
;W[jj]C[ngarry [-\]: и адзи у Ч сверху
wasd [6d\]: зря сразу сюда
]
;B[ji]
;W[ii]
;B[hj]LB[gj:A]C[Defensor [5k\]: Кто, сколько глаз видит?
ngarry [-\]: серия нодзоки
ngarry [-\]: и глаз не видно
]
;W[gj]LB[ig:A]C[Defensor [5k\]: g9
]
;B[gk]
;W[hk]
;B[gi]C[wasd [6d\]: убили
]
;W[nk]C[kvazistatt [6k\]: а почему коми 8, никто не знает?
Defensor [5k\]: Чтобы ничья.
]
;B[ok]C[Defensor [5k\]: Наверное
Defensor [5k\]: У шахматистов же бываетют ничьи.
wasd [6d\]: нужен глаз в районеj13
wasd [6d\]: ч надо было вместоp9 p8
]
;W[kl]
;B[ig]C[wasd [6d\]: j4
wasd [6d\]: j4
Defensor [5k\]: f8 убить.
wasd [6d\]: h5
wasd [6d\]: n7
wasd [6d\]: драма
]
;W[ip]C[wasd [6d\]: должна быть сдача
]
;B[ll]
;W[ho]
;B[en]
;W[dm]C[ngarry [-\]: как-то Б много раз обманул черного
ngarry [-\]: я ы сказал нереально много
]
;B[bn]C[ngarry [-\]: а Дембель говорил, что не весело
wasd [6d\]: f3 f2 e4 d4 b7
]
;W[bm]
;B[gp]C[wasd [6d\]: ва банк
wasd [6d\]: надо сначало было кикаси вставить
]
;W[fp]
;B[go]
;W[fq]
;B[er]C[Defensor [5k\]: Чёрному обязательно всё убить? Части не хватит?
]
;W[fo]C[ngarry [-\]: считать не хочет
wasd [6d\]: толку считать?
wasd [6d\]: у б 7 очков в c17
]
;B[af]
;W[ab]C[wasd [6d\]: примерно 45 в p15
wasd [6d\]: 25 в r3
wasd [6d\]: 10в других руппах
wasd [6d\]: итого с коми 95
wasd [6d\]: у ч 20 внизу
wasd [6d\]: где еще взять 75?
ngarry [-\]: нда
wasd [6d\]: сейчас выигрыш в районе 40 очков
]
;B[gn]C[wasd [6d\]: убивать обязаельно
]
;W[do]C[ngarry [-\]: да ..пока глаз нет
wasd [6d\]: но уже никак
ngarry [-\]: но ..либо соединиьься либо
ngarry [-\]: да миаи
]
;B[hi]C[Defensor [5k\]: У черного вроде два пути e5 d6. Он не может в f6 прикрыться?
ngarry [-\]: там соединение
ngarry [-\]: или нижняя группа отвалится
ngarry [-\]: d4 - кикаси
Defensor [5k\]: Посмотрел. Да-а уж.
Defensor [5k\]: Тогда уже чёрным пора сдаваться.
ngarry [-\]: EuroGoTV1 [-\]: black resigned
ngarry [-\]: уже
])

[ngarry]

(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[NZ]SZ[19]KM[8.00]TM[3600]OT[1x30 byo-yomi]
GN[European Youth Championship 2010 under 12 board 1 FINAL]PW[Anson Ng (keyboy 3d KGS)]PB[Stepan Popov]WR[1k]BR[1d]DT[2010-03-07]EV[European Youth Championship 2010 under 12 board 1 FINAL]RO[6]PC[Sibiu, Romania]
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;B[kb]C[ngarry [-\]: таки съел
]
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;B[hl]
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;B[ll]
;W[il]
;B[hm]
;W[on]
;B[no]
;W[gb]
;B[hb]
;W[om]
;B[nm]C[ngarry [-\]: EuroGoTV2 [-\]: b+ resign
])

[ngarry]

(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[NZ]SZ[19]KM[8.00]TM[3600]OT[1x10 byo-yomi]
GN[European Youth Championship 2010 under 16 board 1 FINAL]PW[Jurij Mykhaljuk]PB[Mateusz Surma]WR[2d]BR[4d]DT[2010-03-07]EV[European Youth Championship 2010 under 16 board 1 FINAL]RO[6]PC[Sibiu, Romania]US[HW9x9]
;B[pp]
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;W[lb]
;B[kb]
;W[mb]
;B[kc]C[RomaSan [?\]: что то белые сверху намутили
]
;W[df]
;B[cf]
;W[dh]
;B[cg]
;W[if]
;B[kr]
;W[ip]
;B[hp]
;W[jr]C[Defensor [5k\]: Опять народу нема.
]
;B[jq]
;W[kq]
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;W[po]
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;B[pq]
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;B[mm]
;W[nm]
;B[nl]
;W[lm]
;B[ml]
;W[mn]C[ngarry [-\]: финал между прочим
ngarry [-\]: даже Сашу и то случал человек 50
Defensor [5k\]: А на другой доске тогда за что боряться?
ngarry [-\]: слушало*
ngarry [-\]: 6 тур
ngarry [-\]: там наш играет
Defensor [5k\]: Я когда меня выбросило видел 68 человек.
Defensor [5k\]: На разборе.
ngarry [-\]: ну да около того
]
;B[kk]C[Defensor [5k\]: Либо все сегодня спят после вчерашнего, либо готовяться к завтрашнему. Вообщем длинные выходные располагают к проведению досуга вне дома.
ngarry [-\]: и это тоже
]
;W[kf]
;B[le]
;W[ki]
;B[ij]
;W[ii]
;B[mp]
;W[np]C[Abundant [?\]: Не в курсе, как в 5 туре Матушкин и Вашуров сыграли?
ngarry [-\]: у меня нет информации
Abundant [?\]: У меня к сожалению тоже
]
;B[jn]
;W[kn]
;B[lo]
;W[jo]C[Defensor [5k\]: Попов выиграл. А за какое место в той партии играли?
ngarry [-\]: это финал
]
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;B[ll]
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;B[kg]
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;B[ni]
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;B[ok]
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(;B[oh])
(;B[nh]
;W[jg]
;B[ke]
;W[jf]
;B[mi]
;W[im]
;B[kl]C[ngarry [-\]: EuroGoTV1 [-\]: b wins by resignation
]))))